On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Will Glass-Husain wrote:
> To me there seems a qualitative difference between a beta and a rc or
> final release.
There isn't from the POV of oversight.
>
> Keeping it less formal for a beta release seems fine. But for a
> "release candidate" Geir's points make sense. Either we should be
> voting on a specific binary, or the on the result of typing "ant
> package" with the current svn source.
Vote on the binary. That way we call can smoke test it to make sure
it's right.
>
> Also, we definitely need to distribute full docs.
>
> WILL
>
> On 1/27/07, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 1/27/07, Henning P. Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> > >Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be
>> > >released, not just the concept.
>> >
>> > >At the moment, I have no clue what would actually go out the
>> door wrt
>> > >the binary (included libs, LICENSE and NOTICE files, etc)
>> >
>> > >Should be easy.
>> >
>> > Hm. That *is* a strong imbalance IMHO between projects that ship
>> docs
>> > as part of their distribution (like we do) and others that
>> simply keep
>> > and update their docs online and ship just e.g. javadocs.
>> >
>> > In that case, I'd actually like to discuss removing all docs except
>> > automatically created docs from source (e.g. Javadocs, Changelog
>> etc.)
>> > from the distribution archives.
>>
>> -1 i like keeping docs with distros, both source and binary. and as
>> Geir said, it doesn't really solve the problem.
>>
>> > We do have to discuss the actual release process. Other projects
>> > (e.g. httpd) do it differently, they roll their distribution
>> archives
>> > first and then vote on them. We do it the other way around.
>>
>> +1 !! i've been thinking about this for quite some time. i like the
>> freedom httpd-ish projects have to change the status of a release (in
>> any direction) without having to re-roll it. at the latest, i'd like
>> to see us adopt this after Engine 1.5 and Tools 1.3 are out. it's a
>> little superfluous to switch to this now since we've already been
>> stepping through betas and RCS, but if people really wanted to start
>> now, that's fine by me. :)
>>
>> > Best regards
>> > Henning
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >geir
>> >
>> > >On Jan 27, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
>> >
>> > >> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > >>
>> > >>> I assume we'll have another vote on the final binary?
>> > >>
>> > >>> geir
>> > >>
>> > >> Do we need to? The code itself will not change, just some doc
>> file,
>> > >> change logs etc.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best regards
>> > >> Henning
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>>> "Will Glass-Husain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Hi,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part
>> of the
>> > >>>> "docs
>> > >>>> cleanup" before we release the code.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Best regards
>> > >>>> Henning
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Hi Henning,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> +1, with a caveat...
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the
>> system.
>> > >>>>> Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this
>> > >>>>> automatically? I
>> > >>>>> suggest we have two items
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> * a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into
>> the main
>> > >>>>> distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key
>> changes and
>> > >>>>> more
>> > >>>>> importantly, dependency changes.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> * a maven generated list from changes.xml
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> I'm +1 if we have those two things.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done,
>> > >>>>> especially in
>> > >>>>> the past few months.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> WILL
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >>>>>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> +1
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>> +1
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>> Let's do it.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> The list of changes
>> > >>>>>>>> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create
>> > >>>>>>>> )
>> > >>>>>>>> is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open
>> issues
>> > >>>>>>>> is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been
>> > >>>>>>>> reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and
>> > >>>>>>>> "then" (Relase)
>> > >>>>>>>> are all non code:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> - Further work on the docs
>> > >>>>>>>> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull
>> > >>>>>>>> velocity.jar
>> > >>>>>>>> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
>> > >>>>>>>> - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
>> > >>>>>>>> [ ] 0 I don't care
>> > >>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th,
>> 18:00
>> > >>>>>>>> MET
>> > >>>>>>>> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
>> > >>>>>>>> month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> My vote is +1
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Best regards
>> > >>>>>>>> Henning
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
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