On 1/30/07, Will Glass-Husain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Reluctantly, I vote -1.
:(
> I tested the release. It compiled fine, ant test ran fine under
JDK
> 1.5 and 1.6, worked with Velocity Tools 1.2. But when I checked
all
> the hyperlinks, the anakia page was missing. There's an error when
> generating the page and it was left out of the distribution [1].
C'mon. Anakia's documentation is anything but hard to find. I'm all
for getting things right, but not for holding back releases based on
one missing doc. I'd rather you let Henning release 1.5 now and
release 1.5.1 yourself next week.
> I'm concerned about two things. I'm concerned about a prominent
bad
> link on the main menu, and I'm concerned the last minute "vote
on the
> final release" might not have uncovered additional problems.
We've a
> chance to make a major impression on the Java world with this
> prominent release and I want this to be very smooth installation
for
> both new users and the typical existing user who wants to upgrade.
We can't cower in fear of unknown bugs. Fix what you know and care
about, then let's get this thing moving again.
> My recommendation is to delay the release until there's time to fix
> these doc issues and for more thorough testing. Mid-March seems
fine.
> For the "shallow bugs" theory to work, we need to issue a "release
> candidate" that everyone can work with. This doesn't need to be an
> actual release, just a binary distribution we can test. After a
few
> weeks we should be assured the details are 100% set.
How about two betas and a test build? That's what we've had. This
release has had much time to prepare. More time won't kill us, but
let's not pretend things are ever likely to be 100% set. Trust
me, if
i cared enough, i could start combing thru the docs of almost any
major project you like and find dozens of errors. Same goes for most
code. Final releases will never be perfect, but the "shallow bugs"
theory won't work if we don't get *them* out there. Far fewer people
bother with release candidates and betas.
> Incidentally, I disagree with Henning's comment that the beta2
had no
> errors. Actually, beta2 had a serious error in the build
process in
> which "ant test" failed when run from the actual distribution. It
> worked from the source distribution but not the released
package. No
> one found this problem for a month.
And it's fixed, is it not?
> I can't adequately express my admiration of Henning's efforts in
the
> last 6 months to get this out. This must be frustrating. I take
> responsibility myself for not thinking through the implications
of the
> release process when Henning proposed a month ago we issue a
release
> at the end of January.
Taking responsibility in the open source world means only one thing,
if you ask me. Doing the work. If you're going to take
responsibility for this by re-doing this whole process to your
satisfaction either by repeating the 1.5 test build and vote or by
letting 1.5 go and releasing a 1.5.1, then i won't protest. But
please don't just sit back and critique at the last minute. That's
not just frustrating, it's obnoxious.
> However, the good news is that the recent momentum was
effective. We
> are right at the doorway to a new release with many new
features. The
> code is branched and close to perfect.
it is not close to perfect, nor will it ever be, but i believe it
will
get better faster if you don't obsess about it being perfect.
> Docs are set, readme is
> present. With a little more checking (and fixing minor issues like
> this one), we can type "ant dist" in early March and create the new
> release.
>
> WILL
>
>
> [1]
> [echo]
> [anakia] Transforming into: C:\Documents and
> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-1.5\bin\docs
> [anakia] Input: anakia.xml
> [anakia]
> [anakia] Error: The end-tag for element type "example" must
end with
> a '>' delimiter.
> [anakia] Line: 117 Column: 60
>
> On 1/28/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Due to a misunderstanding in the vote procedure, we actually
have to
> > repeat the release vote, because we should vote only on really
rolled
> > releases.
> >
> > The candidate for the Apache Velocity 1.5 release is available
from
> > http://people.apache.org/dist/velocity/1.5/
> >
> > Shall we release this code base as Apache Velocity 1.5
> >
> > [ ] +1 Yes.
> > [ ] 0 I still don't care.
> > [ ] -1 No, because ________________________________.
> >
> > Vote period is
> >
> > Monday, Jan 29th 0:00 MET to Wednesday, Jan 31st 0:00 MET
> >
> > Best regards
> > Henning
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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