On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Claude Brisson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Tools 2.0 has been languishing in beta due to unfinished docs.   No
>> one has stepped up to help and really the docs aren't that bad, so i'm
>> done with that.  Expect a CFV for Tools 2.0 final soon.  Object
>> quickly if you have other ideas. :)
>
> I'll try to spend sometime on the docs this week - but anyway, let's
> push it out!

that would be cool.  i'm going to tentatively plan to roll out the
test build on Saturday.  i hope to find a couple hours to fix
VELTOOLS-124 and drop in the new tools by then.

>> In other Tools news, there are a few unpublished tools i've been
>> sitting on that are in various states of completion/polish.  I had
>> intended them to be part of a 2.1 release, but that now feels too far
>> away to consider.   As such, i intend to add them to 2.0, while
>> somehow denoting them as "beta" level.   Really, we are overdue for a
>> means of classifying tools, as they all have various levels of support
>> and polish.   Obviously, i will mention their status in their docs and
>> leave them out of the default tools.xml files, but i was wondering if
>> i should take it further.  Perhaps, by putting them in a "beta"
>> package like org.apache.velocity.tools.generic.beta.FooTool?  Any
>> thoughts on this?
>
> The most convenient for tools candidates that still need some work is
> probably to have them sit in the svn tree with their final package names
> but under a "beta" or "sandbox" or "experimental" subdirectory. We can
> put this subdirectory in the released source tree and mention them in
> the docs, interested people will be able to use them and help completing
> them. And 2.1 can come out not that far after 2.0, you're not alone :-)

Hmm.  That would only be convenient if there were an ant task to build
those, which i suppose could be done.  But only one of the two i
intend to could be called experimental; the other is one i already
make significant use of and deserves better, i think.  I just haven't
time to improve the docs or make a demo page in the showcase, and i'd
rather not add a new "final" feature between beta4 and final releases.
  Also, a new directory and task(s) support is extra work.

> By the way, among the new (or soon new) commiters, who is using the
> tools subproject and might give some help? Byron? Jarkko? Christopher?

I know Christopher has used tools.

>> Anyhow, i will continue to be on the lists (even if my answers are
>> more delayed than before) and will certainly be able to help walk
>> people through release processes and such, but in general, i am less
>> available than before.  Jarkko, this especially means that we need to
>> finalize your committer status so you can commit your own patches.
>
>
> Thanks for all the time you gave so far to our community!
>
>
>  Claude
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