Hi Frank,

Frank Schönheit wrote:
Hi Kay, Mathias,

- OTOH there are concerns that the majority of people interested in OOo
are "pure" users and will stay so and they might get bored by content
more centred on contributors.
As mentioned elsewhere, the OOo portal is _not_ only for end-users (which we may better call consumers), but has to reflect the interests of _all_ stakeholders, including the native lang. and accepted projects.

I think nobody really questions this, the disagreement is only in the
Actually, I got a different impression, but lets see ...
extent to which (and how) other stakeholders should be addressed on the
main page.
I must have overread this ...
One could argue that even today's top menu bar is addressing the
non-user stakeholders, but that's too non-obvious for my taste.
It seems, that not all stakeholders feel themselves sufficiently represented by this.

- We should point to URE and SDK also. My comment: have a look at the
Mozilla page ("Other Mozilla Software"). Of course we need new pages for
both products then.
The problem with Mozilla is, that it has too many home pages, at least
   www.mozilla.org
   www.mozilla.com

and may be
  www.mozillazine.org
  wiki.mozilla.org

Not completely true, the main page for Mozilla is www.mozilla.org, none
of the others. Visit the others and simply look at the site titles in
your browser ...
OK



Besides that I think we should also talk about the "Projects" link in
the navigation bar. IMHO the "categories" page is one step too much and
we should start with the "Accepted projects" page immediately - it also
has links to the other categories and the NL projects are linked
directly from the home page anyway.

Projects, IMO, should have a (manually created) list of all accepted,
non-artificial (e.g.: no utilities) projects, similar to
http://projects.openoffice.org/accepted.html, but more appealing (some
nice colored icons :), and less burdened (for example, the project leads
might not really be of interest here, they belong to the amazing
mind-blowing yet-to-be-created new project pages, I'd say).
Sounds reasonable ...


Another point I would like to rise: could we have a more prominent link
to the "contribute" page, perhaps equally in visibility and size to the
"get OOo" or the "Native Language" button?

Would it make sense to call this "Participate" instead of "Contribute"?
To me, this sounds somehow better, since participation seems to cover a
wider variety than contribution ....
Good suggestion ...

Actually I do not know why people are so picky regarding the requested changes. Even if the project pages are not too pretty, neither are the marketing etc. pages, and basically there is no risk to experiment a little.

I don't think anybody is picky here, instead all I read so far was to
Hopefully you are right.
get a common understanding, and to find some agreement. Which is much
So, lets see ...
better, IMO, than just experimenting on the living object. (You also
wouldn't want me to _experiment_ with the UDK, by trying if there are
really some complaints if I change the OUString incompatibly, would you?)
IMHO this is different, as I said, there is basically no/low risk.

Ciao
Frank
Kay

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