On Tuesday 12 January 2010 12:29, Clayton wrote: > On 01/11/2010 12:01 PM, Nino Novak wrote: > >> The Rich Editor was requested by a lot of people who are working > >> on the OOoWiki. Switching it off will take away a useful tool for > >> a lot of pwople working on the Wiki. > > > > And how many people do actually use it? > > Could this be made transparent? > > Obviously quite a few must be using the RE since the problem with the > diff is enough for you to notice. :-)
I just stumbeled over it as a minor edit of another community member led to a major change of the whole page ;-) > Transparent? How do you mean... a list of specific users who have > enabled this extension? No, it's not a per-user-question but a per-edit-question. So I hoped to see it e.g. in the Comment (maybe RE could be configured to add [RE] in the comment line) if an edit was done using RE. > Theoretically possible, but it would require > an SQL Query be done against the User table in the database. Is it > necessary? Is it a good idea to provide a list of users using the > RE? Not really for the same reason I'm not happy about digging out > email addresses of spammers. We have an obligation to maintain a > high level of privacy and data protection for the users, and I'm not > willing to compromise that... not even in the slightly grey areas. > > If the information is not available in the main MediaWiki interface > (via SpecialPages) or available with accepted extensions, then I > consider it "off limits". In this case, even as an admin, you cannot > see what options a user has set on his or her profile. (not a user problem, see above) I just wanted to get a feeling how often RE is actually used, as this would add impact to arguments against switching it off. In my eyes, the diff function is far more important than (unwanted) code "beautyfication", when done deliberately across pages with fixed rules defined for different purposes. Ask any developer, how much they would like such behavior in their CVS repositories :-) (I'd change my mind, if we could agree upon markup coding rules and change the whole wiki at one time. But so, you have to manually compare every single page before/after a 1 letter typo edit - this really sucks.) > > Do they know that they break the diff functionality by using RE? > > (For me, this is still a showstopper) > > As I said before.. they "break" the diff on the first time a page is > edited with the RE. This happens any time a manual edit happens between two RE edits, except the manual edit follows exactly the rules defined by RE. So we are ending up in following externally defined rules for our own text contributions. Do you really think, this is good? > The RE does a Tidy on the page contents (in many > cases, a much needed Tidy). Once the Tidy is done the first time, > the diff is usable on subsequent edits. RE has it's own ideas about tidying up a page, so any intentional markups may be messed up. BTW, the readability of RE-markup is partly worse than of the manually written. > That said, I've just raised this question in a couple of places with > the FCKEditor guys... maybe there is a setting, or some way of > limiting the Tidy on editing with the RE. Maybe there is a better > way of managing this diff issue. But please switch it off in the meantime. Nino --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
