Hello All,

M8 was released ~2.5 months ago
I believe we should release 8.0.0 (since there are no blockers) or
release M9 .....

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Sven Meier <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I am confused.
>
> We already found what we want, thank you.
>
> Sven
>
>
>
> Am 04.01.2018 um 10:57 schrieb Martin Grigorov:
>>
>> Hi Korbinian, Sven,
>>
>> I am confused.
>> Both of you say that jQuery is not a problem and few sentences later say
>> that jQuery prevents the usage of defer/async...
>>
>> I am sure you will find your ways to do what you want!
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:06 AM, Korbinian Bachl <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Martin,
>>>
>>> i think we dont see jQuery as problem, but mere the current integration
>>> of
>>> all wicket JS and ajax and the depending on it. Its more an adaption to
>>> current standards, where old IEs and other quirks in browsers aren't
>>> needed
>>> anymore - so to say.
>>>
>>> Currently wicket has a real big problem with first page impression and
>>> high speed rendering on mobile devices as all JS resources are limited by
>>> wicket in not beeing able to get deffered or even async'd. Ideally the
>>> wicket JS integration not only should accept defer but be built around
>>> full
>>> async into the JS part - that however would not be possible with jQuery
>>> as
>>> this one only allows defer at max as the ordering matters here...
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> KB
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
>>>>
>>>> Von: "Martin Grigorov" <[email protected]>
>>>> An: [email protected]
>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Januar 2018 12:43:41
>>>> Betreff: Re: 8.0.0 blockers
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> 1) one can always replace the version with JavaScriptLibrarySettings
>>>> 2.x is used as default because most jQuery plugins are not migrated to
>>>
>>> 3.x,
>>>>
>>>> JS folks moved to more modern JS solutions (React, Angular, Vue, ...)
>>>>
>>>> 2) wicket-ajax-*jquery*.js is named this way because it depends on
>>>
>>> jQuery!
>>>>
>>>> One can always implement the Wicket.xyz JS APIs on top of vanilla JS,
>>>
>>> Dojo
>>>>
>>>> 2.x, Angular 5.x, ... And use it via
>>>> JavaScriptLibrarySettings#setWicketAjaxReference()
>>>> Such alternative implementation can be introduced at any version of
>>>
>>> Wicket.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But what exactly is the problem with jQuery (in Wicket) ?
>>>> Why its event listeners do not work for this use case ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin Grigorov
>>>> Wicket Training and Consulting
>>>> https://twitter.com/mtgrigorov
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Sven Meier <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please take a look at the pull request:
>>>>>
>>>>>    https://github.com/apache/wicket/pull/253
>>>>>
>>>>> As you can see, there are many places that have to work together - do
>>>
>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>> see a good way to make that configurable?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd prefer to support a single solution only:
>>>>> addEventListener() instead of jQuery "domready"/"load" and maybe a
>>>
>>> central
>>>>>
>>>>> hook allowing to defer all JavaScript resources (perhaps there's
>>>>> already
>>>>> one I'm not aware of).
>>>>>
>>>>> This way users can defer JavaScript if they want to, but we don't force
>>>
>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>> on everyone (e.g. if they still need JavaScriptHeaderItems).
>>>>> IMHO moving the framework away from jQuery is the right direction
>>>>> anyway
>>>>> (see http://youmightnotneedjquery.com/), but perhaps Wicket 8 (or
>>>
>>> shortly
>>>>>
>>>>> before the 8.0.0 release) is not the right moment for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Sven
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 02.01.2018 um 11:34 schrieb Martin Makundi:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If configuration option is final solution then yes, otherwise it opens
>>>
>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> new can of worms for backwards (and on-site branching) compatibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>> +0.02
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2018-01-02 12:29 GMT+02:00 Korbinian Bachl
>>>
>>> <[email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> e>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May I ask why not a simple Config option? When disabled current
>>>
>>> behaviour
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (default) but when turned on new behaviour? That way it wont break
>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> and may be added to wicket any time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just ask because this "not in that version" etc. usually is the
>>>
>>> reason
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> why some Frameworks seems less active/ agile as others. Maybe I miss
>>>
>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> big picture but I really would hate it if I have to wait for a new
>>>
>>> major
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> version of wicket each time we need to keep up with the developement
>>>
>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> browsers... long time ago there was a discussion what version of
>>>
>>> jQuery
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> should be in wicket and it went on 2, a sane idea at that time, but
>>>
>>> now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> its 2018 I - for example - would instead now only ship JQuery 3.x
>>>
>>> default
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for wicket as the time has changed.
>>>>>>> I wonder how wicket will keep up with that if the cycle is so long
>>>
>>> each
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> time...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: I know that you can override the jQuery version as you like, it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> just an example how the "best idea/ way to do it" changes over time
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Von: "Sven Meier" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> An: [email protected]
>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Januar 2018 10:57:39
>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: 8.0.0 blockers
>>>>>>>> Hi Maxim,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think WICKET-6498 will be part of Wicket 8:
>>>>>>>> There are still conceptual open questions (who decides what
>>>
>>> resources to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> defer)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and implementation issues, i.e. does the proposed solution with
>>>>>>>> addEventListener work in all browsers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for testing this.
>>>>>>>> Sven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ⁣Gesendet mit Blue
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 2. Jan. 2018, 09:13, um 09:13, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> schrieb:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll try to test WICKET-6498 today/tomorrow
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Martijn Dashorst <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’m working on restyling the QuickStart to look like the new
>>>>>>>>> examples. Not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a blocker but would be awesome to include. Will work on it 2nd Jan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Martijn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Op vr 29 dec. 2017 om 20:28 schreef Korbinian Bachl <
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> May I also mention WICKET-6498?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-6498
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Von: "Sven Meier" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> An: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Dezember 2017 16:22:47
>>>>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: 8.0.0 blockers
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not strictly necessary, but I would like to merge WICKET-6503:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-6503
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have fun
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sven
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 29.12.2017 um 06:02 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it time for release?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are long holidays upcoming here, so I can send more time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wicket
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> :)))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Andrea Del Bene <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Martijn Dashorst <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No technical blockers AFAIK, however, we really should do the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marketing
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> right:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - front page of website should feature 8 prominently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - work with Sally from PR for a press release to let the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not Dead Yet™
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - have a really great announcement to give to the world about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> benefits of Wicket 8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the key features that necessitate upgrading to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wicket
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not blocking but really important:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - have a story to answer "Why not just use XXX.js?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - have a story to answer "Isn't Java Server Side frameworks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dead?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I (partially) covered these two issues in my presentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful for further considerations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wicket_The_story_so_far_and_beyond.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - have a story to answer "Isn't Java dead"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java will never die :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a call list for when a reporter wants to have contact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wicket 8
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and its future (esp. related to questions above)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other things to consider:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - prepare some articles to publish to dzone, voxxed, etc.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm preparing an article for dzone. You can find it here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l9ec2plxyhe4aa2/article8.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any feedback is welcome!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Martijn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do we have any blockers for 8.0.0?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://wicketinaction.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>>>
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