On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Senaka Fernando <sen...@wso2.com> wrote:
> Hi Azeez, > > More than docs, we need to consider the user experience aspect. People are > using these things in real production environments. Some have scripted > their deployments. How much of an effort is it to move from XML to JSON in > that sense? I think that's not straightforward. Also, we use XML all over > the place. Ex:- Synapse Config, Registry Handlers, Lifecycles, Endpoints - > basically everything configuration across every single component is XML. > Unless everything becomes JSON, the users have to train themselves to do > two things. So, what looks cool to us does not look so cool to everybody. > So, its not just kernel that we need to think about, its the whole > platform. Unless we have a platform-wide move, I'm -0 for this. > I agree with Senaka too. User experience is going to be an issue once dev-ops try to migrate from C4 to C5. For example we have a customer who experienced issue while migrating to C4 simply because we had split our config files and also moved them to different directories etc. This becomes more complicated with Stratos setup where dev-ops have written scripts etc to automate deployment. Obviously there will be changes in configs but moving from xml to JSON is too much of a leap IMO .. Also we cannot add comments in JSON based config files (if I am not mistaken), plus even a JSON based config file is going to look clattered once we introduce nested configurations.! > > Also, based on the last internal discussion on this, Paul said, "Plain > JSON is worse than plain XML", IIRC. I thought we agreed for configuration > files like the LB model in that discussion, but again that would mean > custom parsers, custom work, and adoption across the entire platform. > > Thanks, > Senaka. > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:38 AM, Afkham Azeez <az...@wso2.com> wrote: > >> I agree on the points everybody has mentioned in support of XML in config >> files. >> >> But it seems that most people still don't understand that Carbon 5 is >> going to be a major shift. We are removing the Axis2 dependency from the >> kernel, and minifying the kernel. Lots of things starting from some package >> structures will be changed. Docs will need updating. From Carbon 4.0 to 5.0 >> is going to be a major leap. >> >> Azeez >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Maninda Edirisooriya >> <mani...@wso2.com>wrote: >> >>> I think JSON is more human readable than XML, as it is cleaner than XML. >>> (I may be wrong as I am familiar with JavaScript) And as Nuwan said we will >>> not get the "Everything JSON" feeling. But many web developers will be much >>> familiar with JSON than XML as Jaggery and JavaScript are JSON based. But >>> there is still a major XML dependancy, that is web services. As all the web >>> services are still comes with XML, "JSON Everyware" story will not be >>> complete. So I prefer moving to SOAP based web services to REST/JSON based >>> system rather than changing configs from XML to JSON. The reason is current >>> XML configs has no major problem and changing it will course lot of bugs >>> and support issues. We can postpone this until XML becomes a unpopular >>> language which will not happen in near future. Until that we can work on >>> changing message protocols from XML/AXIOM to REST/JSON and improve the >>> performance and simplicity of the implementation in ESB and AS. >>> >>> >>> *Maninda Edirisooriya* >>> Software Engineer >>> *WSO2, Inc. >>> *lean.enterprise.middleware. >>> >>> *Blog* : http://maninda.blogspot.com/ >>> *Phone* : +94 777603226 >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Sagara Gunathunga <sag...@wso2.com>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Afkham Azeez <az...@wso2.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Folks, >>>>> I am starting a new thread to see how everybody feels about using JSON >>>>> syntax for the config files wer are using. I personally feel that it looks >>>>> elegant, and very easy to edit with vi. Also, we don't do any schema >>>>> validation of our config files, and the config file structures are simple, >>>>> so JSON could be more appropriate. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm -0 on this change. >>>> >>>> Other than user friendliness do we have any significant customer >>>> related issue to fix by changing configuration files into JSON ? If not we >>>> should target to solve significant C4 issues first. As some people >>>> mentioned this needs great amount of documentation and migration tools, I >>>> don't believe it's a good idea to do this at the beginning of C5. >>>> >>>> Thanks ! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Afkham Azeez* >>>>> Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com >>>>> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ >>>>> * <http://www.apache.org/>** >>>>> email: **az...@wso2.com* <az...@wso2.com>* cell: +94 77 3320919 >>>>> blog: **http://blog.afkham.org* <http://blog.afkham.org>* >>>>> twitter: >>>>> **http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez*<http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez> >>>>> * >>>>> linked-in: **http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez* >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *Lean . Enterprise . 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