Oops - I realized I didn’t put this in Curator. It’s in the Elasticsearch Cloud 
code (proprietary - sorry).

-Jordan

> On Aug 30, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Flavio Junqueira <f...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> As Jordan described, he has implemented it in Curator. I haven't had a look 
> at the implementation, but perhaps he can point you to code and doc.
> 
> -Flavio 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Aug 2016, at 18:29, Irfan Hamid <iha...@salesforce.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Isn't a TTL node and a session somewhat orthogonal issues? Can we create
>> TTL nodes today within a session? Or would there need to be a thick client
>> implementation that manages them by scheduled tasks that delete said node?
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Flavio Junqueira <f...@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> As I understand TTL nodes, you want to have them when you don't want to
>>> have sessions. I find it odd that you still need to create a session when
>>> you choose to use TTL nodes to avoid sessions. It is correct that you can
>>> create session/create TTL/close session in this order, but again, if you're
>>> trying to avoid sessions, then it doesn't seem to be very appealing to use
>>> TTL nodes this way.
>>> 
>>> In any case, I need to go through the e-mail thread that Camille pointed
>>> out. There is possibly some insight there that I'm missing.
>>> 
>>> -Flavio
>>> 
>>>> On 30 Aug 2016, at 14:21, Jordan Zimmerman <jor...@jordanzimmerman.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, you need a session to create the TTL node. I believe discussion
>>> about needing a session to create the node is beyond the scope of this
>>> issue and should be addressed by a new Jira issue. It doesn’t affect the
>>> utility of TTL nodes that you must first have a ZK session. Users who no
>>> longer want a session can merely close the ZK handle after creating the TTL
>>> node.
>>>> 
>>>> -Jordan
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Flavio Junqueira <f...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29 Aug 2016, at 19:51, Jordan Zimmerman <jor...@jordanzimmerman.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On the server side, we already have a mechanism to expire sessions,
>>> do we a separate scheme to expire TTL nodes or can we use the same
>>> mechanism? Does it make sense to consider a TTL node as a degenerate case
>>> of a session in which I have a single ephemeral node? My recollection is
>>> that it currently uses the container manager instead.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The TTL implementation I did takes advantage of the Container node
>>> feature. A TTL node is a variation of a container node. It doesn’t require
>>> a session (like any persistent node).
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It doesn't require a session, but the client has no way to create such
>>> a TTL node without creating a session first, right? You need the zk handle,
>>> which has a session associated, to create a TTL node as I understand it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Flavio
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 

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