re: existing users I'd expect they read this mailing list, and if they do they should see the announcement that things change and need to re-subscribe, if they don't follow the list anyway then...well nothing really lost. I understand the concern but I'm afraid there's nothing we can do there. I don't think it's trivial to automatically subscribe people to a new list, we'd need to ask INFRA if it's even possible.
re: new users: Yes, as a new subscriber it's definitely VERY overwhelming (especially the gitbox mails) and it's also nowadays almost unexpected because most other projects (at least the ones I follow) have the separation of mailing lists already On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 6:28 PM Norbert Kalmar <nkal...@cloudera.com.invalid> wrote: > I agree we have a lot of "noise", as others, I have created the filters and > since forgot about them. > But it is overwhelming for a new subscriber, and filters always carry the > dangers of false positive filtering. i.e. filter out someone's email. > I think someone joining the dev-zookeeper mailing list is always a good > thing, and we shouldn't scare them away :) > For the existing users, I guess they would have to sign up for the new > list. > > It would be nice, but I'm not even sure of all the dependent stuff (Patrick > just mentioned marmail for example). > > Regards, > Norbert > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:06 AM Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Sorry, I didn't mean to comment on the tracking sites in the VOTE thread. > > That belongs here. > > > > Either way: Markmail etc. shouldn't be broken. Yes, they may take a while > > before they index stuff but the "canonical" tracking site is > > https://lists.apache.org and that indexes new stuff automatically > anwyay. > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 9:55 AM Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I'm subscribed to around 40-60 Apache Mailing lists. If the > notifications > > > were in a separate list I could just subscribe to what I want instead > of > > > creating 80 or so filters. > > > > > > I think I disagree, I don't have to create filters if the dev list only > > > contains "discussions". > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Lars > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 12:38 AM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > >> You're going to have to have a filter regardless. Why change now? > Also, > > if > > >> you do change it, be sure to update all of the tracking sites such as > > >> markmail (etc...), I find this invaluable. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Patrick > > >> > > >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 1:18 AM Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > INFRA can do it all :) > > >> > > > >> > See for example this: > > >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-17915> for Jira > > >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18296> for Github > > >> > > > >> > The necessary mailing lists can be created here < > > >> > https://selfserve.apache.org/> > > >> > > > >> > I'd be happy to file the issues myself but it's better if it comes > > from > > >> a > > >> > PMC member. > > >> > > > >> > Cheers, > > >> > Lars > > >> > > > >> > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 10:00 AM Andor Molnar > > >> <an...@cloudera.com.invalid> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Hi Lars, > > >> > > > > >> > > Thank you for the hands, yes, indeed we are interested! > > >> > > Currently I'm using all kind of magic filters to separate signal > > from > > >> > > noise. > > >> > > > > >> > > What do we need to do? > > >> > > > > >> > > Regards, > > >> > > Andor > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 9:51 AM Lars Francke < > > lars.fran...@gmail.com> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I've recently subscribed to the dev mailinglist but am > overwhelmed > > >> by > > >> > the > > >> > > > number of github notifications and about to unsubscribe again. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > But maybe you're interested in moving the github & jira > > >> notifications > > >> > to > > >> > > a > > >> > > > different mailing list? I did a quick search for on the mailing > > list > > >> > > > archives but couldn't find another thread about it. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > The way we've done it at the Apache Training project now for > > >> example is > > >> > > to > > >> > > > send all Github notifications to notifications@ and all Jira > > >> messages > > >> > to > > >> > > > issues@ we only send Jira open and close mails to dev@ > > >> > > > > > >> > > > This lowers the volume significantly and works just fine. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Is this something you'd be interested in? > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Cheers, > > >> > > > Lars > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >
