On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 06:15:08PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: >> Dominique Martinet <dominique.marti...@cea.fr> wrote: >> > Just noticed this change on rawhide... >> > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/NEWS#L29 >> > * systemd-logind will now by default terminate user processes that are >> > part of the user session scope unit (session-XX.scope) when the user >> > logs out. This behavior is controlled by the KillUserProcesses= >> > setting in logind.conf, and the previous default of "no" is now >> > changed to "yes". This means that user sessions will be properly >> > cleaned up after, but additional steps are necessary to allow >> > intentionally long-running processes to survive logout. >> >> This sounds very much like a system-wide Change. Where can I find the >> Change proposal? > > It's not a Fedora-specific change. See the other parts of the thread > for links to upstream discussions (in particular the mail from Michal). >
I don't see anything in the Changes policy[1] that limits it to Fedora-specific changes. In fact, changes like this are exactly what the policy seems to capture: "Complex system wide changes involve system-wide defaults, critical path components, or other changes that are not eligible as self contained changes." This is a system-wide default change in a critpath component, which qualifies twice! But seriously, large changes in new upstream releases are often captured by the change process (boost updates, glibc and gcc updates, etc.) Using the change process in this case would let us coordinate efforts and address and answer technical questions like "how do you indicate that you want a process to persist after logout," "can we/how do we modify programs that rely on this behavior to do the right thing (screen, tmux, etc.)," and "does it make sense to deviate from upstream in any fedora products," in addition to philosophical questions like what a "logout" really means or should mean, before the change landed. Rich [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Policy -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
