On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Michael Catanzaro <mcatanz...@gnome.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 15:40 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote: > > This is a slight tangent, but by "remove Fedora packages", do you > > mean > > actually remove them from the distribution entirely or simply not > > show the > > packaged version in e.g. GNOME Software in favor of the upstream > > Flatpak? > > The latter makes sense to me, the former seems potentially > > controversial. > > I was thinking remove the Fedora package. What's the point in > maintaining a secret Fedora package for a graphical app, when we're > going to be presenting a different version of that app to users? Well, if a packager wants to maintain it, why not? As someone who's a bit skeptical about containers as the future of software distribution, I'd like to continue getting "traditionally packaged" applications from Fedora where possible. I became a Fedora packager as a large part because I wanted to expand the pool of such software that was available in Fedora, by making it available to other users. It seems like that's not a thing we're going to care about as much going forward, which I guess is... fine, but I kind of have mixed feelings about the whole thing. I suspect I am in a minority here, though. > And as > Josh says, this would also create confusion regarding where to report > bugs, and also confusion when users have two different sets of bugs > depending on whether you use a Fedora package or the upstream Flatpak. > That is a valid concern, and not something I'd have an immediate solution for. > There's no plan to systematically go around removing Fedora packages in > favor of Flatpaks; rather, we plan to do this on a case-by-case basis > at the request of upstreams that have developed Flatpaks and want those > Flatpaks to be available in Fedora. Package maintainers would be > allowed to dispute the change, again on a case-by-case basis, but I > don't expect that to happen often. We're also planning to allow third- > party RPMs to replace Fedora-provided RPMs following the same > procedure. > > Full details at [1], just keep in mind this is a WIP document in the > preproposal stage; i.e. we were not planning to propose it on this list > yet. > > [1] > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Third_party_software_proposal > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sure, I understand that the recent press coverage of Ubuntu's solution in this space (Snap) has brought some of this stuff forward preemptively. My gut reaction, though, to *replacing* Fedora packages with upstream-provided containers, though, is, "...thanks, I'll pass". My gut reaction may be entirely irrelevant in the larger scheme of things, but maybe it would be a good idea to at least start discussing this even if a formal proposal is a ways off yet? Though this is a tangent, as I said originally, so maybe this thread is a bad place for such a discussion. Ben Rosser
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