On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 17:59, Przemek Klosowski via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On 8/13/23 16:57, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > look at SUPPORT_END in /etc/os-release and nag more frequently. > > Highly recommend other Fedora editions consider similar notifications. > > I don't think more nagging is going to help. It is just going to be > considered yet another annoying nag to ignore or click away. Like it or not, > non-technical users are NEVER going to upgrade to a new operating system > release. Not now, not 10 years from now. Until their computer physically > breaks down, at least. There is just nothing you can do about it. > > I believe this is overly pessimistic: people tend to upgrade their Android > and iOS devices and applications, because the update process is > low-friction and well tested so that people tend to trust it. > > It is fairly well tested because the entire phone hardware set is a 'known' quantity. There are also several different layers of 'testing' and quality control which happen: 0. The OS manufacturer 1. The phone manufacturer (for android about 2 years, for iphone for 10) 2. The wireless carrier (for android about 3 years, for iphone for 7) 3. Sometimes major software app manufacturers Each of these groups have 'farms' of several hundred of each type of phone which get continual updates and they have a long certification process to make sure that they reach 'all the phones updated without problems and ran N hours without issues afterwards'. This is part of the reason it can take months for a release from The OS manufacturer (aka Android) to get pushed out to fleets of phones. It is fairly 'expensive' work with lots of little issues having to be tracked down and passed. [Because even when you 'built the phone' you find out that N% of that batch still acts slightly different from the rest on this update.] In the desktop/computer mode this is just outside of anything that I think a volunteer oriented organization could try to make work at scale. > I have personally had multiple Fedora upgrade issues due to lack of space > in the root filesystem, so maybe Fedora is not yet at a point where we can > unconditionally launch into upgrading, but it's a technical issue that can > be corrected. > > We already have SUPPORT_END so I think it makes sense to use it. > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > -- Stephen Smoogen, Red Hat Automotive Let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle. -- Ian MacClaren
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