On Feb 13, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:

> On 02/13/2012 03:47 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> 
>> Fedora DE vs KDE spin download ratio compared to past release ratios would 
>> be more suggestive of a trend, if it exists.
> 
>  Not necessarily - I always used the standard DVD to install and use
> KDE and frankly never used the KDE spin - not once.

Doesn't matter. The question is whether there is a change in trend. It's 
improbable that KDE adoption is increasing in statistically significant 
numbers, while at the same time KDE spin downloads remain flat, just because 
people can install KDE from the standard DVD installer. If there is a new trend 
developing, downloads and even yum updates would represent much more valuable 
data from which to draw general conclusions than a poll off one forum. The very 
poll's existence, and question structure, will disproportionately draw 
disaffected Gnome users to participate in the poll.

Let's not forget there are KDE affectionados who were not pleased with KDE4.

But in any event, the users almost don't matter when it comes to desktop 
experience. It's which environment has the most development (both for apps that 
run in it, as well as developers for the environment itself). Windows is an 
example of abysmal UI and UX, yet has a huge installed base who are not 
punishing MS over an objectively poor UI design. And long time Mac users have 
been expressing in larger numbers than any other release how irritated they are 
with the incorporation of iOS UI into Mac OS Lion (10.7) - and yet it's one of 
the most successful, by raw numbers, Mac OS upgrades of all time.

So the complaining, the anecdotes of people switching environments, and totally 
non-scientific forum polls, probably means almost exactly zero. What is a valid 
concern for RH though, is whether and when Gnome 3 makes sense on RHEL, and if 
the fallback mode experience is a better and practical default, than the 
standard experience, for the RHEL market.

Chris Murphy
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