On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson <bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se> wrote:
> Or nothing at all displayed unless the user happens to know to press some key 
> at the
> right moment?

A multiboot system needs at least a message to inform the user how to get to 
the boot manager (the GRUB menu). A Fedora only system probably should entirely 
suppress the menu or notice how to get to it.


On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Máirín Duffy <du...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> I think we forgot to turn it off on F18 for some reason.

The menu has been displayed by default since F16, with the switch to GRUB2.


On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Ryan Lerch <rle...@redhat.com> wrote:
> IIRC, in f17, the GRUB screen was not visible. (you could still press f11 to 
> bring it up if you needed it to). Does anyone know why this behaviour changed?

Esc since at least GRUB 2.00 final, maybe slightly before that.


On Mar 11, 2013, at 12:02 PM, seth vidal <skvi...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> I really do like the idea of a line which says:
> 
> "Press <some key> to see what's going on right now"
> 
> It creates a learning opportunity for new users and a relatively benign
> way to present this info.

As a Mac user who did go down the GRUB rabbit hole, I sorta wish I had those 
brain cells returned. OK maybe the brain cells lost were weaklings anyway, but 
the time lost I definitely would like to have back. A battery acid cocktail 
would be a kinder, faster way to get rid of enemies.


On Mon, 11.03.13 12:58, Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) wrote:
> - Switch to a simple spinner for the plymouth theme
> This theme is available in plymouth today:
> https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mockups/master/system-lock-login-boot/boot.png


If it weren't for the darker gray background, I'd easily mistake this for OS X 
booting.


Chris Murphy
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