On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Matthew Miller
<mat...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Billy Crook wrote:
>> > Since it _isn't_ served via DHCP in any environment I'm aware of, that's
>> > not
>> > actually useful.
>> Nice to meet you Matt. As of this morning, it is served via DHCP in
>> mine. There's also that guy earlier in the thread. So now you know
>> of two. Perhaps that dhcp option ought to be in the packaged
>> dhcpd.conf template.
>
> You've totally removed the context here. Which cloud environment do you run?
Actually I'm afraid your cloud environment example is just as far out
of context. I can't imagine many cloud deployments that don't use
kickstarts and have their own individually chosen packageset tuned for
exactly their business case. They can use core / minimal + whatever
specific individual packages they need. I hardly think a cloud
environment is going to base their production on the Default package
set.
Default should include what people 'generally expect of a GNU+Linux
system' -- and that includes an MTA. It should include a syslog, and
it should include screen too for that matter.
I mentioned DHCP only to demonstrate the fact that you were dismissing
the existence of real environments in which smtp-server is served via
DHCP, _today_.
We should be working towards deterministic, automatic, easy configuration.
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Nicolas Mailhot
<nicolas.mail...@laposte.net> wrote:
> Look, the proposal is not calling to replace sendmail, it's calling to
> remove any MTA. So "sendmail is a bad MTA" is not a good argument for this
> proposal. "sendmail is a bad MTA" is an argument to install Postfix or
> Exim by default, not to remove the default MTA.
I couldn't have said it better. Most people get it. If you don't
like ${President}, vote for a better one. Don't bulldoze the
whitehouse.
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