Hi,

THAT would be worhty of being called Fedora.Next .

cu romal


Am 28.01.14 01:35, schrieb Oron Peled:

On Monday 27 January 2014 14:01:32 Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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or some mechanism to interactively configure and deploy a DHCP server.

IMO, that's exactly the crux of the matter. Most non-trivial services
requires some administrative decisions to configure them properly.

Since rpm does not allow interactive query of the user (IMO rightfully),
everybody implement custom solutions:
  * Some custom scripts (e.g: freeipa-server-install)
  * Only hand configuration (e.g: dhcpd)
  * Some web-based PHP configuration (many php web-applications that look
    for an easy solution to a tough problem and forget about security
    along the way...)

Just like packaging systems implemented a common framework to install
software, we need a common framework to *configure* it (at least
base configuration if the full configuration management problem
is too tough).

My suggestion is to look first at the "debconf" abstract model.

Let's start with one design decision which I think we should avoid:
  * Debian triggers debconf operations from the package installer.
    This means package installation is potentially interactive (not good).
    I think the configuration mechanism should be explicitly called
    from elsewhere. (e.g: when administrator want to activate/configure
    the service).

But now, let's look at the good properties which we can learn from:
  * All configuration options are name-spaced (in debconf it's done by package 
name)
  * Each configuration option has specific *type* info (string, boolean, 
multi-select, etc.)
  * A package installation register its configuration options in a system-wide 
"database".
  * This also contains end-user visible text for each option including i18n.
  * The debconf database may be populated via different front-ends:
      GUI, TUI, command-line, web-based (experimental),
      preseed (for "kickstart" install).

  * All front ends need only understand the generic types of the options.
    (I.e: they provide generic configuration UI widgets which aren't modified
    when new packages/options are added)

  * The debconf "API" allows fetching any option from the database and the
    values of these options are used to configure the actual software.

Note: I tried to abstract away the properties, because I don't think the
       debconf *implementation* fits what we need.

       However, the model shows how very different packages can use a common
       framework for basic configuration, just like RPM shows how very
       different packages can use a common framework for installation.

Having such a framework would allow a *standard* way of configuring a set
of packages for specific roles.

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