Considering that a whole key on the key board is dedicated to the frame, why not use one of its meta modes (shift, alt) to be the toggle for default off/on of the corner sensitivity?
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Greg Smith (gregmsmi) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Simon, Marco, Eben et al, > > I think the key decision is to default the frame on or off. In addition > we should have a long term vision for the frame. For example, is it a > short cut to find things or a first place to look for key features? > > The only key feature I have heard so far is copy and paste. Task > switching is more commonly done with the function keys. What else is > central to the frame concept? > > My main concern is that it pops up. When you don't have good cursor > control that's a challenge. All activities have UI elements at the edge > so you spend time trying to get the cursor on the "keep" button without > popping the frame. Lastly, its a sudden, in your face thing that happens > without you really knowing why. Setting a longer hover time or only > opening on some edges helps but it makes the problem of discoverability > worse (aka user wonders "why did the computer do that?") > > If we default off you can still activate it via key stroke. That would > be my preference. That way you get "expansion" of space without the > mouse control issues. > > Initial research shows that there are FAQ entries for how to disable > this. I also found these relevant threads in the forums saying they want > it default off: > > http://en.forum.laptop.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154224&p=546464&hilit=fra > me#p546464<http://en.forum.laptop.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154224&p=546464&hilit=frame#p546464> > > http://en.forum.laptop.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=154514&p=547914&hilit=fr > ame#p547914<http://en.forum.laptop.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=154514&p=547914&hilit=frame#p547914> > > http://en.forum.laptop.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=150573&p=531274&hilit=fra > me#p525210<http://en.forum.laptop.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=150573&p=531274&hilit=frame#p525210> > > http://en.forum.laptop.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=150343&p=524796&hilit=fra > me#p524796<http://en.forum.laptop.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=150343&p=524796&hilit=frame#p524796> > > http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=935.0 > > http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=904.0 > > Several degenerate in to complaints about having to use the CLI :-). So > enable/disable should be configurable via GUI but we should design with > an assumption about the default install. > > We need more input from users (e.g. a small usability study would be > great!). I think Nepal is on record to make it default off. Any other > comments? > > BTW we brought up a new e-mail list for Spanish speakers in multiple > countries: http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur A dozen teachers > have already commented saying they want to share experiences. > > Can someone who writes Spanish well can post a question there to get > feedback from teachers re: frame experiences? I'll use a translation > tool to do it myself if no one gets to it by the end of next week. > > I hope this is not seen as a negative criticism of your work. The UI is > great overall. We can live with whatever frame solution is agreed and > there is a solid case to be made on all sides. Let's get the maximum > info to make an informed decision, then its your call :-) > > Thanks, > > Greg S > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Schampijer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:42 PM > To: Marco Pesenti Gritti > Cc: Greg Smith (gregmsmi); devel@lists.laptop.org > Subject: Re: [sugar] OLPC priorities for Sugar in the August release > > Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Greg Smith (gregmsmi) > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Thinking about the "hot corners" pop-up frame thingy, Nepal asked > >> that be deprecated and I agree based on my personal experience and > >> that of my kids. The only thing I have heard people use it for is > >> the copy and paste functionality. Waveplace lead mentioned that and > >> its used in the Uruguay training presentation linked above. > > > > Simon is working on making this an option. We would still need to > > decide about the default obviously... > > > > Marco > > These sugar rpms include a control panel option to set a delay for the > frame activation and an option to toggle the top of the screen to > activate the frame. > > http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/cp/ <http://dev.laptop.org/%7Eerikos/cp/> > > You need to install sugar and sugar-toolkit (rpm -U [package] should > work fine). I tested on joyride 1918. > > The control panel can be accessed with the palette on the XO in the home > screen. > > Best, > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -- "Always do right," said Mark Twain. "This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."
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