No comment on any topics related discussions, but it's probably good idea to take a small hiatus from posting about these issues on a public mailing list, and delete the threads from mailing list archives. It's only going to be an embarrassment few months down the line.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Filip Kłębczyk <fklebc...@gmail.com>wrote: > W dniu 23.05.2014 09:02, Jarko Vihriala pisze: > > >> I don't deal with developer relations or alike - for that there is Iekku >> and other people. >> > > In practice Iekku almost gave her voice completely to Stefano on this > mailing list when it comes to developer relations. Also community manager > Carol Chen didn't write anything on this matter. I wonder what for are > those functions/titles (developer care relations, community manager) if > those persons don't speak at all on this important matter impacting both > developer relations and community. > > I hope Jolla finds courage and will agree to publish all the mails > Developer Care sent and also if Iekku agrees to publish her mails she sent > to me on this case with dates (if she doesn't want the mails from Developer > Care are enough). Then everybody will be able to judge himself if the topic > was ignored or not (facts Stefano, facts that you wanted, don't you?). > > The problem as it seen from the last mails is complex and deserves fair > treatment. Again there was my proposal for mediation, which wasn't > discussed at the meeting as I've asked. > > Also I don't think that statements saying that this problem is a complete > private thing between me and Thomas Perl are correct. If Carsten said that > one of the reasons that I cannot work in Jolla is his fear that Thomas > would probably exit the company, when I would join, then I think it clearly > shows the conflict affected decisions made on company side at least by > Carsten. > > Also Carsten has written in his mails: > "I understand that there may be two schools of thoughts here - that the > person on the other side of the McDonalds' counter is a faceless > automaton only there to serve customers.. or that the person on the > other side of the counter is a human with feelings, relations, rights > and worries." > > Ok so you are stating here that there are two approaches where someones > private area can or not influences his work. If you prefer second option > then the big problem is to what point it can influence his actions at work > when having personal conflicts. Where is the border? > > Let me give you an example if someone works in Ministry of > Enviroment/Ecology and after hours throws trash to the forest, how would > you call that? What ministry should answer if someone asks about that > duality? > > If someone as employee talks about hacking event on Together (Jolla > official communication channel) and then on IRC of that event says > (privately or not) that he excludes one of the community members from > taking part in that event, how do you call that? Do you see similarities > with the previous example? > > So taking the two cases into account: > a) Thomas trying to exclude me from the event (let's assume privately) > b) Thomas not answering only my questions (answering others) on official > channel (Harbour was pointing to it) as Jolla employee > > 1. If someone will state that work and private areas influence each other, > then you are giving power to point a), that can be considered as > discrimination/abuse. > > 2. If someone will state (opposite to point 1) that work and private areas > can be completely divided/separated then you give power to point b) as a > discrimination. > > You see inconsistency in Jolla behavior? It's logic, something with what > technical people should be familiar with. > > Regards, > Filip > > _______________________________________________ > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list > To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscribe@lists. > sailfishos.org >
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