On Tuesday 17 November 2015 12:04:13 tflidd wrote: > Hi, > > automated upgrades to a new Ubuntu LTS version are pushed with the first > point-release of a new version. This could be a good idea for owncloud > as well. After a new major release, the updater app just waits for the > first point release (8.2.1, for next major upgrade 9.0.1). Then the new > version has already been installed on a larger number of hosts. Most > updater-app users don't have full access to the system and possible > problems are much harder to identify and to fix. > > A testing mode of the updater app would be a very nice feature. This > way, users who really need new features or who just want to test the > upgrade process, can run an upgrade to the 8.2.0-version. Or is there > currently any way to test the updater app?
Not that I know off. See the http://owncloud.org/release-channels for what we tried to set up. The idea is: * Production: gets bugfixes a few days after they are out, gets new releases upon first bugfix release (eg 8.2.1) a few days after it is out. * Stable: gets bugfix releases and major releases a few days after they are out * Testing: gets testing packages (beta, RC) * daily: automatic daily snapshots Now that's the *theory*. I believe that making stuff available for Production and Stable isn't automated and it is something Frank or one of a few other core developers do when they feel things are stable enough to push them out. In general, that happens 3-7 days after a release. Sometimes they're not entirely sure and it takes longer, sometimes it happens not at all (if a serious bug is found, so you get the next bugfix release) and sometimes there's a perfect storm and due to stand of the moon, holiday and bad voodoo it takes a bit longer. I'll try and add some words about this to the release channels webpage. Cheers, Jos > Regards, > tflidd > > > On 2015-11-17 10:10, [email protected] wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > > > sorry for the misunderstanding, I did not intend to affront you > > personally, but from your first response I gathered that you know > > about the details of classifying a release. > > > > @all: I would like to raise the question of what use a release channel > > setup has if a new version can be released that does not seem to be > > fit for any of the channels? The channels choosen look quite alright > > to me - I can decide if you want to be ahead of the pack or be more on > > the safe side. That is how I read the channels: > > > > * Production: very well debugged (if not bugfree, alas) and > > established release; at the moment, I would expect 8.1.4 > > * Stable: well tested, but with major changes; 8.2 at the moment > > * Beta: Something like 8.2.1, also RC, for add-on devs for example > > or maintainers of large installations to prepare for upcoming changes > > * Nightly: well, just that, nightly build, just for core developers > > > > Also, I would like to remind everyone of the first line on the release > > notes page (https://owncloud.org/changelog/) > > > > _We recommend you follow our Release Channels [1] to always have the > > latest ownCloud Server version which fits your needs._ > > > > So as an admin, I am urged to use release channels, but OC does not > > deliver what meet the expectations raised by itself. > > > > To me it looks like there is a gap between outward communication and > > perception and the inner thinking about delivering updates; and if I > > may add, it seems at least possible that there is no common > > understanding in the developer community, as well. > > > > Regards > > Jim > > > > GESENDET: Dienstag, 17. November 2015 um 06:16 Uhr > > VON: Chris <[email protected]> > > AN: [email protected] > > BETREFF: Re: [owncloud-devel] Update available via admin interface > > Hi, > > > > why is everyone thinking that if someone is answering somewhere that > > he is > > instantly speaking for the project. > > > > I'm not speaking for the project oC, i'm not related to ownCloud inc. > > at > > all, i'm not a developer and i'm also not releasing anything ;-) > > > > The post above was just my personal thinking about that. > > > >> So please explain, in which release channel does 8.2 belong exactly? > > > > In none i would say. It probably will hit "stable" as soon as it is > > "ready > > for home users at minimal risk". I don't see a problem here... > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://owncloud.10557.n7.nabble.com/Update-available-via-admin-interface-tp16048p16083.html > > Sent from the Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > Devel mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > > > > > > > > Links: > > ------ > > [1] https://owncloud.org/release-channels > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Devel mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- Disclaimer: Everything I do and say is based on my view of the world today. I am not responsible for changes in the world, nor my view on it. Everything I say is meant in a positive and friendly way, unless explicitly stated otherwise. find me on blog.jospoortvliet.com _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
