See also https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/22313 and https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/22310
We're spending significant time in core on already fixed bugs. I don't consider this really helpful for us nor our users. This is taking user data at risk by intention. - Lukas On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 at 11:15, Lukas Reschke <[email protected]> wrote: > I stand with my comments. If some downstream people believe they know it > better than upstream they are illusional and taking user data at risk. > > If this doesn't work with the way they distribute packages they should not > distribute it OR add extensive testing sets to core to prove that updates > will work. > > And of course users have to follow our update processes. That's why we > have code in place that enforces it. If they remove that then they simply > are not using ownCloud but a fork which should be marked as such. Our code > integrity check will detect such situations. > > And yes, this is a longterm goal that we're aiming at and there are > tickets for it. What they do is taking user data at risk AND outsourcing > support to us in case it breaks. An unacceptable move from my PoV. > > Instead of randomly deciding that this works downstream should have filed > an issue and worked with us to the goal to support this in future. Note > that the version that Debian has in stable also is missing quite a few bug > fixes leading to data loss. My blog post recently highlighted one. > > Seriously. This whole "we randomly backport patches that we consider > critical" thing is just not suited for fast evolving web apps like ownCloud. > > > - Lukas > > On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 at 11:00, Klaas Freitag <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 27.02.2016 15:49, Lukas Reschke wrote: >> > This is super dangerous stuff from Debian and I*HIGHLY* would advise >> > anybody from NOT using distribution packages for ownCloud. >> > >> > Highly irresponsible from them to risk user data like that. Honestly, >> the >> > maintainer should know better. >> >> Sorry, but this is over the top. Of course debians way of patching this >> is wrong, but have you ever thought about why they do it? >> >> It is completely naive to think that users (using distro packages or >> not) will always follow the upgrade path ownClouds core devs think is >> good. ownCloud isn't the center of the world for everybody. >> >> One could easily argue that ownCloud is badly architected if it is not >> able to detect which version it is updating from and to which it updates >> to. From that information it could be able to build a list of actions to >> perform. Other systems manage to do that. If that is too hard with the >> underlying technology we are using that is a different thing, but in >> means a reason for this bashing comments. That is not helping anybody. >> >> We should spend our energy to improve things rather than pointing to >> each other. In FOSS we're all in the same boat. >> >> regards, >> Klaas >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Devel mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.owncloud.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> >
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