----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Egbert Eich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Devel] Re: Another voice
> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > From: Egbert Eich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:10:14 +0100 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Devel] Re: Another voice > > ----- > > Matt Wilson writes: > > > > > > I'm not attempting to bully anyone, nor have I argued that you or any > > > other member (individual or corporate) of XFree86. However, there are > > > plenty of volunteers that are offering to set up and maintain a bug > > > tracking system for you. I think that such a project would be much > > > more successful if it were endorsed by XFree86 and integrated into the > > > development policy for the project. > > > > > Matt, I'm *very* uncomfortable with saying a bug tracking system should become > policy for any project unless/until a project has a pretty universal > buy in that it should be that way. We're a *very* long way from that point. > > > > > Sorry, this is not how it goes. We won't be willing > > to adopt anything blindly. There is a German saying > > applying here: > > 'Never buy a cat in the bag!' > > > > 1. First there should be a proposal > > Seems like that's what some of us have been making, though we haven't > fleshed it out completely yet. Without discussion, it is difficult > to make it concrete. Ergo, the discussion. > > > 2. Secondly there should be a test implementation > > as proof of concept we can work with and see > > how well it goes. > > Entirely agree. > > > 4. Thirdly this should be evaluated > > - if we think it is usable at all. > > - what modifications we would like to see. > > Entirely agree. > > > 5. The modified system needs to get retested and reevaluated. > > Entirely agree. > > > 6. This is the earliest stage we can talk about a more or > > less formal policy. > > Entirely agree. Any policy, however, can/should only occur if there is > nearly complete consensus. We're a long way from that, if ever. > > > > > > Up to now it is not even clear who should be able to > > submit to this bug tracking system: > > Very good questions on which multiple opinions are solicited. > > > Should it be internal only? > > Should only projects like GNOME, KDE etc and > > distributions like RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake be able to > > submit bugs? > > Or should it be open to the general public? > > > > I personally argue for openness, with a couple major caveats: > > o The verbiage around bug submission should be carefully crafted to > try to help with the triage process between projects (e.g. > if your server crashes, its definately an XFree86 bug; if it is bad > rendering, asking people to verify it is specific to a particular > piece of hardware, else report to the appropriate project's bug system, > and so on. > > o the states of a bug inside the database allow for triage, with > states like "bug verified", duplicate, etc. I suspect/expect many developers > might ignore problems until they've been marked verified. That's the point > of a triage process: to bounce the problem the right direction so that not > all bugs get looked at by all people (or no people). > > One could go through an evolutionary process, from developers, to invited > others, to fully open. > > The question still is: is there enough interest among the developer community > to it be worth the investment to get it set up? If no-one is going to use > it, why bother? On the other hand, if enough of us say, as I do, that > we're dropping too many problems on the floor and such a system might > be useful if it gets established correctly, I think there is enough > resources to start getting it set up. But those resources should go > elsewhere if there is no interest. And who would determine the 'no interest'?. Is this mutual or some arbitary self-appointed person? Georgina > > - Jim > > -- > Jim Gettys > Cambridge Research Laboratory > HP Labs, Hewlett-Packard Company > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
