Here are my thoughts in the spirit of open debate, as an interested
outsider, said the giraffe as he stuck his neck out.

I think that advising a party is OK, and that getting in on the ground
floor with ideas and advice must be a good thing - outside experts do
that all the time.

I don't personally think that an announcement at a party conference
was necessarily a good idea, particularly bearing in mind that there
is at least another 6 months of this government to go - and we don't
know who the next one will be. But that is not my relationship to
manage.

>Hasn't Tom advised the Labour government as well?
I think that the distinction between "party" and "government" is very important.

My most important point: I think a key principle may be maintaining
(and demonstrating) continuity/appropriate distance, and whether
"ideas" are perceived as being "Tory" ideas or "MySociety" ideas.
There may already have been one instance of this in that Mr Haig's
"reading stage" of a Bill, if I have it right, looks like a
sound-bited version of "free our bills" - but I could be wrong. In
some places that is being questioned as a Tory policy not a good idea
adopted from an outside source. A further aspect should perhaps be to
emphasise excellent work done in the *last* 5 years or so, with the
support of the Parliament and the last Government.

I think that Tom Watson made a good point about Tom's personal
identification with MySociety, and the need to manage perceptions of
that relationship.

Having said all of that, I recognise that I'm not either a volunteer
or team member, so I'm happy to be ignored :-)

Matt Wardman



On 10/6/09, Philip Potter <[email protected]> wrote:
> 2009/10/6 Francis Davey <[email protected]>:
>> 2009/10/6 Matthew Cain <[email protected]>:
>>> There's a significant distinction between advising the government of the
>>> day (regardless of which party is in power) and advising a political
>>> party.
>>>
>>
>> As I said, this must be some political nuance I'm missing because I
>> don't see it. Sorry. Surely advising people on IT and having a sane
>> policy is a good thing. I'd be happy to advise the Tories on anything
>> I knew about because it would mean they were a better and more
>> effective political party, that in turn can only be good for everyone.
>> I struggle to see how telling people what is a good thing to do can
>> ever be bad.
>
> I can see the argument for eg a civil servant. Civil servants are
> supposed to be apolitical; they advise their political masters through
> their jobs; they are paid from the public purse to do this job. If
> they were to advise an opposition party, they would be seen to be
> political in this action, and if they did it on public paid time, it
> would surely be wrong and a disciplinary matter.
>
> However, AFAIK Tom is not a civil servant; he is not being paid by the
> Tories (and so has no immediate financial interest in seeing the
> Tories win), and frankly, although one can infer that the Tories may
> have more influence over Tom than they did before, I think it is more
> important that they get good, sane IT advice than it is that Tom be
> protected from ever meeting a politician.
>
>> Surely no-one cares *who* is in power provided they do the right thing?
>
> Sadly, this is clearly not the case. I know people who would always
> hate on a Labour/Tory/Lib dem government no matter what they did. (See
> Obama in the US for a prominent example.)
>
> Phil
>
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