As a developer of several contrib modules (previously including taxonomy_menu, a top 100 module) I agree. I'm not part of the *in* crowd and not allowed the #drupal-conttribute and do feel like an outsider.
Not even letting people listen to your conversation kind of makes you look like a bunch of elitist. Another example is the creation of the D8 branch. Think of the lost opportunity to share this moment with nearly 4000 other Drupalers. Instead we got a tweet and a screenshot. I could feel the excitement of the people in the pictures and really wanted to be a part of that as I'm sure many others did. I feel like I'm on double-secret probation. Cheers, Neil On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Angela Byron <[email protected]>wrote: > > On 2011-03-18, at 8:53 AM, Daniel F. Kudwien wrote: > > I agree with Angie, Cameron, and Karen. Just like we have > #drupal-contribute, we could also need a clearly separated mailing list for > all topics focusing on Drupal contributions. That is, regardless of > whether > core or contrib, or code or usability. > > The separation in IRC has proven to be a good idea, as far as I can tell. > > > Warning: This is an off-topic rant. > > No. This is actually one of the most damaging things we have *ever* done to > our community's health, both in the short term, but especially in the long > term. > > The moment that Drupal 7 came out, this is what was happening in > #drupal-contribute, faster than the speed of light: > > 10:20:17 PM dmitrig01: dries++ > 10:20:17 PM davereid: drupal7++ > 10:20:17 PM bellHead: beejeebus: Sure - that's the goal. LOC is a far > easier metric. > 10:20:17 PM ksenzee: liammcdermott: lol > 10:20:17 PM Crell: everyone++ > 10:20:19 PM Crell: everyone++ > 10:20:20 PM dmitrig01: dries++ > 10:20:21 PM Crell: everyone++ > 10:20:21 PM carlos8f: > http://drupalcode.org/viewvc/drupal/drupal/?pathrev=DRUPAL-7-0 > http://drupalcode.org/viewvc/drupal/drupal/?pathrev=DRUPAL-7-0 > http://drupalcode.org/viewvc/drupal/drupal/?pathrev=DRUPAL-7-0 > 10:20:21 PM liammcdermott: webchick++ > 10:20:22 PM Crell: everyone++ > 10:20:22 PM liammcdermott: webchick++ > 10:20:23 PM arianek: goodness you crazies > 10:20:23 PM jacine: *hugs #drupal-contribute* > 10:20:23 PM Crell: everyone++ > 10:20:25 PM Crell: everyone++ > 10:20:26 PM hejrocker: webchick++ > 10:20:26 PM Crell: everyone++ > > Conversely, here's what was going on in #drupal: > > robbiethegeek [*[email protected]*] entered the room. (10:34:24 AM) > awjr [*[email protected]*] entered the room. (10:34:30 AM) > V1ntage [*[email protected]*] entered the > room. (10:34:48 AM) > Stalski [*[email protected]*] entered the room. > (10:35:09 AM) > ryanblair [*[email protected]*] entered the room. (10:35:13 AM) > Stalski left the room. (10:35:18 AM) > amye [*[email protected]*] entered the room. > (10:35:19 AM) > Bes` [*[email protected]*] entered the > room. (10:35:20 AM) > Stalski [*[email protected]*] entered the room. > (10:35:25 AM) > Haza`Aw is now known as Haza` (10:35:37 AM) > Irishgringo [*[email protected]*] entered the > room. (10:36:13 AM) > langworthy [*[email protected]*] entered the room. (10:36:39 AM) > 10:36:40 AM awjr: if i have a module X that calls 'module_invoke_all( 'Y' > )', and module X implements hook Y, will Y in module X get invoked? > gua_ould left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 276 seconds). (10:36:44 AM) > ryanblair left the room (quit: Client Quit). (10:36:56 AM) > pwolanin [*[email protected]/user/49851/view*] entered the room. > (10:37:47 AM) > arianek [*[email protected]*] entered the room. > (10:38:03 AM) > marsilainen [*[email protected]*] entered the > room. (10:38:04 AM) > arianek left the room (quit: Changing host). (10:38:07 AM) > arianek [*[email protected]/user/158886/view*] entered the room. > (10:38:07 AM) > stella [*[email protected]*] entered the room. (10:38:33 AM) > jjdonson [*[email protected]*] entered > the room. (10:38:35 AM) > churel_ left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds). (10:38:39 AM) > 10:39:04 AM darthsteven: Does a D7 issue that is about a test that would > cause a fail if it were testing correctly count as a critical issue? > iszak [*~iszak@unaffiliated/supavisah*] entered the room. (10:39:32 AM) > > It's impossible to understate how fundamentally damaging this shift is. > > We've relegated the architects, the builders, the collaborators, the > "doers"—the people who fundamentally make the Drupal project what it is and > are the heart and soul of our culture—to their own "sub" community in a > hidden silo off to the side. We've taught newcomers to the project that IRC > is the place to consume, to get help, to make demands, to *take*. And we've > created both a physical and psychological divide between "us" and "them," > where it used to be all "us". And, most distressingly, there is no longer a > pathway for going between "them" and "us" because most of "us" have long > since stopped going to #drupal due to the volume of support that happens > there now since there is no one left to enforce the culture of getting > involved. > > We've repeated this "retreat into our shell" pattern over and over again. > IRC (#drupal -> #drupal-contribute), mailing lists (development -> > groups/issue queues), the forums (issue queues). What we're left with now is > an entire "generation" of Drupal users who think Drupal.org is a place to > *consume*, not a place to *participate*. > > In the end, I have absolutely no idea where Drupal 9 core/contrib > developers are going to come from. And that is absolutely terrifying. > > -Angie > > And, fwiw, I "called" this inevitable outcome back in 2009 when this shift > was proposed: http://drupal.org/node/634486#comment-2272630 Bleh. :( > >
