On 02.10.13 12:51, "Nowacki Jedrzej" <jedrzej.nowa...@digia.com> wrote:
>Hi, > > (sorry for top posting) > > Small note, I believe that exception safety never really worked. It >was almost not tested, so everyone depending on the feature was depending >on an undefined behavior anyway. At the beginning of Qt5 I tried to >improve the situation in our containers. I wrote a few tests, I fixed a >few bugs, but it was like going through a swamp, slow and dirty. Getting >a review was difficult, because such changes were increasing code size, >binary size, were complex and the worst almost nobody cared. The amount >of bugs was scary. Even our the best container QVector was not working >correctly with exceptions. So removing exception support is not a >functionality regression it is just acknowledging of the current state. >Now, maybe in some places it works, but from a API user perspective it is >gambling. I do not think we are able to have exception safety "back", >that requires a lot of commitment that I do not see. I don't think anybody is asking to have exception safety for our containers. All we're talking about right now is signal/slot connections. Cheers, Lars > > Personally, I used to like exceptions. It is sad that Qt is not >supporting or really use them, but I believe that people can live without >such support. > > std::bad_alloc, is it even possible to see it, when at least on Linux >most of distros have memory overcommit enabled? > >Cheers, > Jędrek >________________________________________ >Od: development-bounces+jedrzej.nowacki=digia....@qt-project.org >[development-bounces+jedrzej.nowacki=digia....@qt-project.org] w imieniu >Olivier Goffart [oliv...@woboq.com] >Wysłano: 2 października 2013 09:09 >Do: development@qt-project.org >Cc: Thiago Macieira >Temat: Re: [Development] Disabling exception support in QtCore? > >On Tuesday 01 October 2013 23:32:00 Thiago Macieira wrote: >> On quarta-feira, 2 de outubro de 2013 05:42:24, Knoll Lars wrote: >> > On 01.10.13 23:23, "Thiago Macieira" <thiago.macie...@intel.com> >>wrote: >> > >On terça-feira, 1 de outubro de 2013 20:00:56, Knoll Lars wrote: >> > >> Yes, signal/slot connections between user code should IMO still be >>able >> > >> to pass through exceptions. I am afraid removing that will break >>code >> > >>that's out there. >> > > >> > >This is already forbidden since 5.0. >> > >> > Is there any good reason why we don't support this, as we did in Qt >>4? My >> > goal of still compiling Qt Core with exceptions enabled was to allow >>for >> > exactly this use case. >> >> Because we don't test it, so there's no guarantee that it works. In >>fact, >> I'd be surprised if it works at all. What's more, our types aren't >> exception-safe, even the container types. It's entirely unknown what >>will >> happen during a stack unwind. >> >> Personally, I don't want to maintain that functionality. >> >> And then there's the question: is it worth the 7% increase in code size? > >It is working. We even got bug report for some corner case where it did >not, >and I fixed those. (so they are used) >There is no test because you did not want to have one. But we could >easily add >more auto tests. (It is really not that difficult) >And it is "forbidden" only because you decided so, but it is not actually >forbidden. > >I personally think letting exception go from the slot to the signal is a >good >feature (for the DirectConnection case). >I am willing to maintain this functionality. > >Of course it is not allowed to throw an exception with QueuedConnection, >or if >the caller of the signal is not exception safe (all signals in Qt). >And if a signal is connected to several slots, further slots are not >going to >be called. > >The only stack frame it needs to crosses are QMetaObject::activate, the >moc >generated code for signals or qt_metacall, and the templated helpers in >qobject(defs)_impl.h. Could we perhaps only compile part of QtCore with >exception support? > >Exceptions are not only about std::bad_alloc. >I think it is unfortunuate that we removed support for user thrown >exceptions >from our container. (I agree that supporting bad_alloc is useless). >But supporting throwing constructor and copy constructor in all the >containers >is a bit harder than in signals and slots. (And also less usefull) > > -- >Olivier > >Woboq - Qt services and support - http://woboq.com - http://code.woboq.org > >_______________________________________________ >Development mailing list >Development@qt-project.org >http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development >_______________________________________________ >Development mailing list >Development@qt-project.org >http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development _______________________________________________ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development