On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 19:15, Ian Clarke wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Volunteers don't respond well to ultimatums from those that do little > >>else but whine when things aren't going well. > > > > You didn't answer my point; a little communication to people > > that (you worded it) "do very little for Freenet" (publishers, > > users, evangelists, node operators ... and so on) would suffice. > > > > One mail with a right worded subject in each maillist, a couple > > of day before, was all I asked for; this was not done. > > It wasn't done because this change was not imposed on anyone, only those > that deliberately updated unstable were affected and they had ample > opportunity to read Matthew's message before updating. Where unstable > is concerned responsibility lies with the user to look before they leap. > > > I remain a strong Freenet supporter, but this doesn't imply > > accepting everything, in particular your position about the zero > > value of a Freenet community that was already destroyed in the > > past without IMHO any real need. > > When did I ever say that the Freenet community had zero value?
You never said this, this is simply your attitude, since long time Citation. "Freenet is a research project, always has been. If people find that its usable, then great, they can help us research how to make it better. If you want something easy to use that works today and claims to protect your anonymity, I suggest you try Earth Station 5, its developers tell us that its just *great*!" The derision is unimportant. The attitude is. This is just one recent example. Obviously you welcome people that does other than coding, and users that using Freenet allow testing and evolution are welcomed. Nodeops too. But they are not respected. I suggest that you give a look to the anonymous remailer operator & developers attitude. This is an example where there is hight respect of the user community they created & serve. The research project are done in parallel. There *IS* a community, and user base. No one will ever consider to take disruptive actions. Users sometimes strongly need anonimity. Chinese data I discussed with you are an example. Take a look at the Mixminion experimental remailer. It give a message stating that is a research project everytime it's used, warning that must not be used when privacy is important. Put such a message in bold on fproxy page, and in each and every other frame, and in fred boot messages. Say this in alliniterviews and speech. Wrote it in the site. After that your position will be IMHO still wrong, but far more understandable & defendable. > You flatter yourself when you claim to speak for the entire Freenet > community. Most of the Freenet community know the meaning of "unstable". I wonder where I wrote that; anyway I can only beg your and the other list subscribers pardon for being unable to master a foreign language. To clarify this point; I speak only for myself. Sometime only to myself too ..... Ciao. Marco
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