On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 22:33 +0000, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On 05/11/15 22:21, Bob Ham wrote:
> > On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 21:19 +0000, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >> On 04/11/15 22:57, Bob Ham wrote:
> >>> That's all helpful, thanks.  However, I'm still not entirely sure which
> >>> are the "fundamental" problems Toad spoke of
> >> Okay, I will give some here, since people are being a bit more civil.
> >>
> >> In brief:
> > I'm glad you answered, thanks.  Could you possibly help clarify some of
> > the issues?
> >
> > (I'm disregarding opennet, social issues, implementation issues,
> > applications, etc.; my focus is on the fundamental technical and
> > theoretical possibility of the Freenet protocol, or a Freenet-like
> > protocol.)
> >
> >> -- Tunnels are possible
> > What kind of tunnels do you mean?  Why is their possibility a problem?
> >> -- General Sybil problem: *Every* resource is cheaper for an attacker
> >> than a lowest common denominator new user. Unless we can e.g. charge for
> >> entry to opennet.
> > Is Sybil relevant outside of opennet?
> Sorry for my shorthand. These two were specifically related to opennet.
> Tunnels are possible on darknet, but would reduce invisibility.

I'm still not clear on what you mean by "tunnels"?

> >> - Darknet security: Pitch Black (believed to be solvable).
> > Can you expand on the belief that this problem is solvable?
> Oskar has proposed a solution.

What was the proposal?

> >> - Load management: Performance.

> Currently load is managed primarily
> by the originator adjusting their send rate.

I see.

> >> - Darknet doesn't scale.
> > How so?  Are you talking about an implementation issue, an issue with
> > the protocol, or a social issue?
> The current swapping algorithm, which is very much part of the protocol
> IMHO for darknet, appears to have super-linear convergence time.

I see.

> >> - Mobile code is fundamentally unsafe on Freenet (although tunnels may
> >> help here)
> > What do you mean by "mobile code" exactly?
> Javascript.

I see.

Thanks.
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