All else being equal, I'm all for cutting costs, but things don't appear equal. Migrating the wiki to Github could be a massive undertaking. I participated in exactly this migration with the Namecoin project and it was a royal pain. Github's mediawiki syntax support was incomplete at the time, and pandoc failed to completely translate the pages, leaving heaps of manual work for us, even in Namecoin's small wiki.
How big is the maintenance burden? How much are these costs? When funds were nearly depleted, I recall someone mentioned server costs were low enough that we could operate effectively indefinitely on the remaining ~3k. If true, this sounds like a ton of work to increase our dependency and trust on/of third parties. I am also quite opposed to further centralizing in Github, but that is mostly offset by the security concerns regarding running our own mediawiki. Thanks, Dan On Aug 11, 2016 7:28 AM, "Ian Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 9:50 AM, Florent Daigniere > [email protected] wrote: > Two points: > > > > > 1) The benefits you are talking about (scalability, security), will > > only exist if we get rid of the old instances of the wiki. 7y+ in the > > previous migration we are still running the "old-old" wiki. > > https://old-wiki.freenetproject.org/HomePage > > > > > Are you suggesting that we finally get rid of them (both old and > > current wikis)? > > > Yes, we shouldn't be operating our own servers when others are willing to > do it > for free. Also, they already appear to be archived: > https://web.archive.org/web/20150926002329/https://old- > wiki.freenetproject.org/HomePageCan we set a date in stone today as of > when that will > > > happen? > > > Why don't you set a date since you're the one that would do it? > 2) This is a re-hash of a discussion we had 7 years ago. At the time, > > > one of the main point that was raised is that we can *not* migrate the > > content due to unclear licensing... and we can't get rid of it because > > "we shouldn't throw away contributions". > > > > > Can you clarify what you are suggesting? > > > I certainly don't think we should be constrained in any way by some kind of > hoarder-like desire to never throw anything away, especially when > everything is > already archived by a 3rd party. > > > Ian. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 9:50 AM, Florent Daigniere > [email protected] wrote: > On Wed, 2016-08-10 at 14:25 +0000, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 3:37 AM, Florent Daigniere > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > It's not like if there was no history here... > > > > > > > > > I'm really not clear on what point you're trying to make… > > > Ian. > > > > > > > > Two points: > > > > > 1) The benefits you are talking about (scalability, security), will > > only exist if we get rid of the old instances of the wiki. 7y+ in the > > previous migration we are still running the "old-old" wiki. > > https://old-wiki.freenetproject.org/HomePage > > > > > Are you suggesting that we finally get rid of them (both old and > > current wikis)? Can we set a date in stone today as of when that will > > happen? > > > > > 2) This is a re-hash of a discussion we had 7 years ago. At the time, > > one of the main point that was raised is that we can *not* migrate the > > content due to unclear licensing... and we can't get rid of it because > > "we shouldn't throw away contributions". > > > > > Can you clarify what you are suggesting? > > > > > Ticking the box to enable the wiki on github is a 30s job, so is > > deleting the two wiki instances... Migrating the content over isn't. > > > > > Florent_______________________________________________ > > Devl mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > > > > -- Ian Clarke Stacks - The AI CFO for your personal finances > http://trystacks.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Devl mailing list > [email protected] > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list [email protected] https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
