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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Metadata change for 0.4 (Adam Langley)
2. Re: 0.3.7 (Adam Langley)
3. Re: Metadata change for 0.4 (Tavin Cole)
4. Re: 0.3.7 (Oskar Sandberg)
5. Re: 0.3.7 (Tavin Cole)
6. Re: Metadata change for 0.4 (Adam Langley)
7. Re: Metadata change for 0.4 (Tavin Cole)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:36:33 +0000
From: Adam Langley <[email protected]>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Metadata change for 0.4
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
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On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:16:00PM -0500, Tavin Cole wrote:
> We should also consider that in the future we may need to put several
> independent things in the metadata section, so perhaps the standard
> should be:
<snip>
So how do you guess if the next bit is a header or a trailing
field. Better if you put it all into one message. Can you come up with
any examples of where this would be needed. You could use EndPart not
End if there's another header comming I guess
AGL
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:42:54 +0000
From: Adam Langley <[email protected]>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] 0.3.7
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
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On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 07:23:28PM +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote:
> Tavin Cole wrote:
> > On IRC today we've also talked about having Fred write the port number
> > to $FREENET_DIR/rtv/tcp4_port just like wrose does, so there will be
> > a standard way for clients to find the listenport regardless of which
> > node implementation is being used.
>=20
> Mmmh, sure if you want to. I personally don't see a need for that.=20
> Can't we just declare "listenPort=3D" in
> $FREENET_DIR/<.freenetrc|freenet.ini> as standard?
Depends how fast your port number changes. Since I'm starting and
stoping stuff my port/proxy port/lserv port changes a lot and rtv
helps a lot.=20
> But I won't cry if you implement it. (BTW, what does rtv stand for?)
rtv =3D Run Time Value=20
AGL
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:41:58 -0500
From: Tavin Cole <[email protected]>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Metadata change for 0.4
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 06:36:33PM +0000, Adam Langley wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:16:00PM -0500, Tavin Cole wrote:
> > We should also consider that in the future we may need to put several
> > independent things in the metadata section, so perhaps the standard
> > should be:
>
> <snip>
>
> So how do you guess if the next bit is a header or a trailing
> field. Better if you put it all into one message. Can you come up with
> any examples of where this would be needed. You could use EndPart not
> End if there's another header comming I guess
What do you mean a trailing field? That doesn't really apply to
file metadata, does it?
And you can always compare strings to "End" or look at whether you've
reached the end of file yet. Or use "EndPart", whatever.
I'm not sure why this might be needed yet, but the point is to plan
for the unexpected. Here's one example of where this might be nice:
Metadata
See-Also=SSK at asdf/blah
Author=joe_bloe
Revision=1.2
Date=2001.02.04
Mapfile
default=index.html
Mappings
index.html=CHK at foo
logo.png=CHK at bar
End
(maybe using internal "End" or "Endpart")
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// Tavin Cole
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:09:31 +0100
From: Oskar Sandberg <[email protected]>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] 0.3.7
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 07:02:59PM +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote:
<>
> I'd prefer this solution as Setup.Java chooses a random port on its
> first run and saves it.
> So you have to have a config file anyway if you want to run it. The port
> is the only reason why we can't ommit the config file when wanting to
> use the default values only.
Why not just run the setup program in the nodialog mode if there is no
config file when starting?
> The other reason is that creating a sample config file, even if it only
> contains default values is a great help for users wanting to change the
> prefs. It is much easier to modify an existing entry DiskCache= than to
> look in some documentation (which would be hopelessly outdated in our
> case anyway) which pref possibillities exist in the first place.
>
> Sebastian
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:11:42 -0500
From: Tavin Cole <[email protected]>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] 0.3.7
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 08:09:31PM +0100, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 07:02:59PM +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote:
> <>
> > I'd prefer this solution as Setup.Java chooses a random port on its
> > first run and saves it.
> > So you have to have a config file anyway if you want to run it. The port
> > is the only reason why we can't ommit the config file when wanting to
> > use the default values only.
>
> Why not just run the setup program in the nodialog mode if there is no
> config file when starting?
That's exactly what we're talking about doing.
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// Tavin Cole
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:28:12 +0000
From: Adam Langley <[email protected]>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Metadata change for 0.4
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
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On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:41:58PM -0500, Tavin Cole wrote:
> What do you mean a trailing field? That doesn't really apply to
> file metadata, does it?
Sure it does:
Redirect
End
freenet:CHK at xxxxx
the bit after the End is the trailing feild
> I'm not sure why this might be needed yet, but the point is to plan
> for the unexpected. Here's one example of where this might be nice:
>=20
> Metadata
> See-Also=3DSSK at asdf/blah
> Author=3Djoe_bloe
> Revision=3D1.2
> Date=3D2001.02.04
> Mapfile
> default=3Dindex.html
> Mappings
> index.html=3DCHK at foo
> logo.png=3DCHK at bar
> End
>=20
> (maybe using internal "End" or "Endpart")
Hmm, I guess. But:
ManifestThing
See-Also=3DSSK at xxxx/yyyy
Author=3Dxxx
Revision=3Dyyy
Date=3Dzzzz
Default-File=3Dindex.html
End
index.html=3DCHK at xxxx
pic1.png=3DCHK at xxxx
and so on. I just think that a single message can handle everything we
need. But either way, *we need a standard for 0.4*
AGL
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:36:48 -0500
From: Tavin Cole <[email protected]>
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Metadata change for 0.4
Reply-To: devl at freenetproject.org
On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 07:28:12PM +0000, Adam Langley wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:41:58PM -0500, Tavin Cole wrote:
> > What do you mean a trailing field? That doesn't really apply to
> > file metadata, does it?
>
> Sure it does:
>
> Redirect
> End
> freenet:CHK at xxxxx
>
> the bit after the End is the trailing feild
Okay. But wouldn't it make more sense to have:
Redirect
Target=CHK at xxxx
End
Anyway, to support trailing data I suppose we should use End only after
the final section. I don't think we need the EndPart though, since the
parser knows it's a new section if the line doesn't contain '=' and is
not == 'End'.
> > I'm not sure why this might be needed yet, but the point is to plan
> > for the unexpected. Here's one example of where this might be nice:
> >
> > Metadata
> > See-Also=SSK at asdf/blah
> > Author=joe_bloe
> > Revision=1.2
> > Date=2001.02.04
> > Mapfile
> > default=index.html
> > Mappings
> > index.html=CHK at foo
> > logo.png=CHK at bar
> > End
> >
> > (maybe using internal "End" or "Endpart")
>
> Hmm, I guess. But:
>
> ManifestThing
> See-Also=SSK at xxxx/yyyy
> Author=xxx
> Revision=yyy
> Date=zzzz
> Default-File=index.html
> End
> index.html=CHK at xxxx
> pic1.png=CHK at xxxx
This gets ugly and creates problems for interoperation of different clients.
If you separate it into cleanly divided sections with headers, clients
can ignore the sections they don't use/understand.
> and so on. I just think that a single message can handle everything we
> need. But either way, *we need a standard for 0.4*
:) standards arguments are *so* much fun.
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// Tavin Cole
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