On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 03:02:51PM -0700, Ray Heasman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 01:19:27PM +0200, Oskar Sandberg wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:49:57PM -0700, Ray Heasman wrote: > > > Hi Oskar, > > > > Hello Ray! How are Martha and the kids doing? > > I'm sorry my standard salutation annoys you.
I'm just wondering from where we know one another... < > > > > Um. Is that supposed to be an answer? How very Zen. > > > > Yes, it is an answer. The objectives of this project go beyond creating > > a distributed datastore (which can be done using hypercube routing, see > > Plaxton etc), and we have many auxiliary requirements regarding the > > survivability of data, resistance to localised attacks, and at least > > some level of anomity for publishers and readers. It is clear that > > highly mobile data is an essential ingredient in these. > > Hmm. > > 1) You make arbitrary statements. Flying can be done using flat surfaces. Uh? > 2) "It is clear" does not constitute an argument. Even were your statement > always true, a naive design nullifies a potentially good concept. Are you seriously going to argue that replication and mobility of data is not necessary for survivability and resistance to attack on a network of untrusted peers? And I did not say it was a sufficient condition. > 3) If you want to make indefensible statements, do not be surprised when > people demand you explain yourself. If you want to jump in on a long term project with radical ideas, don't be surprised when people expect you to understand the basic goals and concepts of the project. > 4) What is the point of having a developer mailing list if we can't discuss > ideas in a useful fashion? I would like to use this list as a place to learn > about freenet design details. I want to know how it works, not what the code > does. If I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong, but don't bother unless you tell me > why I'm wrong. If nobody has the time, then so be it. Tell me and I'll > leave you all alone. You are welcome to discuss it, just as I am welcome to reply in the manner I see fitting. I have not flamed you for posting, in fact, for all the red you are seeing at the moment, I have not flamed you at all. > 5) If you wish to make appeals to authority, please give full references. I > have dealt with hypercube routing in parallel processing architectures, but > am not sure of the context here. I found > http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/did/19555 , but I can't find anything to do with > hypercubes by Plaxton. Still, it looks like interesting reading. C. Plaxton, R. Rajaraman, A Richa. Accessing Nearby copies of replicated objects in a distributed environment. In Proc. of ACM SPAA, June 1997. > Furthermore, the current state of freenet is: > > 1) Survivability of data. Maybe 15 minutes, for most of it. > > 2) Resistance to localised attacks. What resistance? In the current network, > requesting a file is an attack. > > 3) Well done on the anonimity. Nothing I have suggested would have affected > it, but anyway. Oh yes, please refer to (1) and (2). Your lost data is > anonymous. Well done. > > So far, the track record is not very good. Fair enough, Freenet is work in > progress. It's not a very imposing track record to be used as a source of > authority, though. If you had payed attention to my posts you would know that you do not need to tell me this. Just because the current system doesn't work does not mean I can't express my conviction that your ideas on how to fix it are wrong. > > I may do such a test, but I find it rather futile, since: > > a) It has no application to reality. > > b) It won't work. > > Then why do the test? Be consistent. Are you afraid of annoying Martha and > the kids? Either my argument has merit, or not. I would do such a test if there was sufficient interest from other people who do not agree with me regarding the futility. Since I am currently working on employed time for Freenet Project Inc. I obviously have to consider more than just my own opinion when weighing in what to spend my time on. <snip blablabla> -- 'DeCSS would be fine. Where is it?' 'Here,' Montag touched his head. 'Ah,' Granger smiled and nodded. Oskar Sandberg oskar at freenetproject.org _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list Devl at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devl
