In message <20030501225037.GC29494 at locut.us>, Ian Clarke <ian at locut.us>
writes
>> >Firstly, at what point did I say that not doing anything was not an
>> >option? Secondly, making a request to freesite authors is hardly
>> >"not doing anything".
>>
>> you may feel like this has done somehting, but if this is the extent of
>> your action, then in *reality* you have done nothing. you are still
>> linking to the same sites which have all the same issues you wanted to
>> address from the start.
>
>Now you are being an ass.
>
>> ian, read it again, he says very clearly that he is not going to change
>> TFE at all:
>
>No, YOU read it again:
>
>> "My suggestion is of course by no means the only possible solution, and
>> I encourage the debate to continue. Removing a direct TFE link from the
>> gateway will *not* cause me to stop updating it. So don't let that
>> concern be a barrier to change. Although do be aware that I will also
>> not be changing TFE in any way simply to ensure it does get a permanent
>> gateway link under any new stricter linking regime."
>
>He certainly does not say that he will not change TFE - what he does
>say is that he would change TFE just because he is threatened with
>removal from the gateway page, it is quite possible that he will
>change it because he is politely asked to. This being the case, it
>would perfectly highlight a benefit of my approach.
>
>> >To find out what people's opinions were - why else?
>
>> issuing a utterly ineffectual statement like "please dont link to child
>> porn... it wont effect your listing on the freent gateway, but please
>> dont" just doesnt count as an effective action in my book, as is proven
>> by cofe's statements.
>
>All that has been proven is that you have misinterpreted cofe's
>statements.
>
>Ian.
>
Personally, I think it would be nice for index sites to have front pages
without even descriptions of perfectly legal content which
(descriptions) may be offensive to people in the same house/office as
the computer screen, or might be best not shown to young children who
might be scared of them or upset (or inconveniently inquisitive!). I
would certainly prefer TFE to be organised this way, so I could go
straight to a selection of links on a particular group of topics without
having links describing the latest porn sites on the front page. The
new sites section could be indexed with an appropriate health warning if
CofE wishes to include all new sites together (which I do see the merit
of). I say this though I actually favour the CofE suggestion of an
officially linked meta-index for the gateway page, I just think indexes
with a benign front page are more user-friendly. This could be done
without treating any content unequally, except for the decision to
classify it. There are circles where even the logo for porn on the YoYo
front page would be a little offensive.
--
Roger Hayter
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