> i was trying to back out 
> graciously from this and not turn it into some stupid flamewar since i 
> think both of our points have been adaquetly made, but you seem hell 
> bent on turning it into one.

There was nothing graceful about your original email in which you
dismissed my position as "silly" - so please don't bother playing the
holier than thou card after you have lost the argument.

> sure, you've "done stuff" 
> like start up an important conversation, congrats, pat yourself on the 
> back... but wait, was that the goal?  to start a conversation?   of 
> course not.  what i'm talking about when i say "in *reality* you have 
> done nothing" is this: have you *accomplished the goal* of this 
> increasingly pointless discussion?

What are you talking about? What *was* the goal of this? My goal was
to ensure that we are doing the right thing by provoking a discussion
on the subject.  The goal was not to come up with some excuse for
removing freesites from the gateway page - yet it seems that you
dismiss anything less than that as "doing nothing".

> there, that pretty much sums up my stance you keep cutting up and taking 
> out of context, is this that hard? 

Your stance was that I was doing nothing.  If I had done nothing we 
wouldn't even be debating this, and it wouldn't be the topic of 
discussion on yesterday's CofE.  Unfortunately, you seem to define 
anything other than threatening to remove Freesites from the gateway 
page as "doing nothing".

> have you?  i've conceided points where i was wrong and tried to keep 
> this civil, but it seems to me like you were to busy trying to flame me 
> to actually hear me.

Your original email set the tone for this thread when you described my 
position as "silly", yet now you have been forced to admit that you 
were wrong - and so I think I have every right to call you an ass.

If you don't want to be called an ass, don't call people's position
"silly" and then lose the argument.

Ian.

-- 
Ian Clarke                                                  ian at locut.us
Coordinator, The Freenet Project              http://freenetproject.org/
Founder, Locutus                                        http://locut.us/
Personal Homepage                                   http://locut.us/ian/
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