On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Matthew Toseland <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote: >> Exactly, which is why Thaw, Freemail, etc are the apps that will >> motivate users to use Freenet. Only developers download the JRE, most >> users get it bundled with Java apps. The same will be true of >> Freenet, its a platform, most end-users don't want platforms on their >> own. The solution is *not* to bundle, that is just pretending that >> Freenet is more than it is. > > We have a lot of traffic from wikipedia. We have a lot of traffic from > slashdot. For a user to even understand what Thaw is he must first understand > what Freenet is. Thaw, Freemail, FMS and jSite, don't have any sort of web > presence right now.
So they should get a web presence, we can't reinvent sourceforge, and we can't reinvent apt-get, we don't have the resources. > Freenet is not the same as Java. It's a bad metaphor. Maybe it would be a > better metaphor if any major freenet client had a web presence and > significant hits of its own, but none of them do. AND WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THEM > TO GET ONE Why not? It would be a 30 minute job for those apps to set up with Google Code. >, for much the same reason that we couldn't wait for FMS to release > 0.7.0. That means we have to do what we can for *our users*, which means > making it as easy as possible to get these client applications. You must think our users are morons if the only way they can use an app is if we bundle it. FMS isn't bundled, and it seems to have no shortage of users. This "we've got to bundle everything" is a classic feature creep attitude. If you think being user friendly means installing a bunch of software on someone's computer without them asking for it then you have a bizarre notion of user friendliness. We aren't Google Code, we aren't apt-get, and we aren't Sourceforge. Trying to be those things will be a massive waste of resources. And of course there is also the issue that we would be installing software on people's machines which we didn't write, and which for all we know could contain well hidden code to delete their hard disks on July 4th just for a laugh. If we install this software, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IS DOES. We don't have the resources to audit this code, and we can't install anonymously written code on people's computers without an audit. Ian. -- Email: ian at uprizer.com Cell: +1 512 422 3588 Skype: sanity
