* Ian Clarke <ian.clarke at gmail.com> [2008-05-17 13:35:40]: > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Matthew Toseland > <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote: > >> Exactly, which is why Thaw, Freemail, etc are the apps that will > >> motivate users to use Freenet. Only developers download the JRE, most > >> users get it bundled with Java apps. The same will be true of > >> Freenet, its a platform, most end-users don't want platforms on their > >> own. The solution is *not* to bundle, that is just pretending that > >> Freenet is more than it is. > > > > We have a lot of traffic from wikipedia. We have a lot of traffic from > > slashdot. For a user to even understand what Thaw is he must first > > understand > > what Freenet is. Thaw, Freemail, FMS and jSite, don't have any sort of web > > presence right now. > > So they should get a web presence, we can't reinvent sourceforge, and > we can't reinvent apt-get, we don't have the resources. >
Agreed > > Freenet is not the same as Java. It's a bad metaphor. Maybe it would be a > > better metaphor if any major freenet client had a web presence and > > significant hits of its own, but none of them do. AND WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THEM > > TO GET ONE > > Why not? It would be a 30 minute job for those apps to set up with Google > Code. > > >, for much the same reason that we couldn't wait for FMS to release > > 0.7.0. That means we have to do what we can for *our users*, which means > > making it as easy as possible to get these client applications. > > You must think our users are morons if the only way they can use an > app is if we bundle it. FMS isn't bundled, and it seems to have no > shortage of users. > > This "we've got to bundle everything" is a classic feature creep > attitude. If you think being user friendly means installing a bunch > of software on someone's computer without them asking for it then you > have a bizarre notion of user friendliness. > > We aren't Google Code, we aren't apt-get, and we aren't Sourceforge. > Trying to be those things will be a massive waste of resources. > On the other hand, hosting freenet-related projects doesn't involve too much overhead as far as emu's administration is concerned... And it allows us to cross-reference bugs in between applications and the node, which is very handy. > And of course there is also the issue that we would be installing > software on people's machines which we didn't write, and which for all > we know could contain well hidden code to delete their hard disks on > July 4th just for a laugh. If we install this software, WE ARE > RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IS DOES. We don't have the resources to audit > this code, and we can't install anonymously written code on people's > computers without an audit. > Agreed, that's a big concern... and reviewing all the 3rd party code we bundle is unrealistic. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20080518/9bf7ccf7/attachment.pgp>
