On Wednesday 21 Mar 2012 21:18:37 Marco Schulze wrote:
> There are basically two big concerns regarding logging in fred:
> 
> - Readability and code clutter, which was my original questioning;
> - Raw throughput, as raised by toad.
> 
> Point 1 could mostly be solved by removing any traces of logMINOR and 
> logDEBUG on all but the few places where generating messages to be 
> logged brings noticeable slowdown. That'd be enough, but, personally, 
> the mess that the logging backend is does warrant a replacement. 
> According to toad, the current system needs log{MINOR,DEBUG} to function 
> in a timely manner. Based on this, I think we all agree a replacement is 
> desirable.
> 
> Logging has a few additional requirements:
> 
> - Log rotation (possibly live);
> - Reentrant;
> - Per-class filtering;
> - Specific information in log (class-name, for example).
> 
> Now, _any_ library which fits would make me happy, as long as they agree 
> to two points:
> 
> - Either lightweight or with optional features. Else, it would only 
> transfer bloat to freenet-ext.jar. For example: log2socket, config 
> management and multiple logging instances;
> - Implementable in a few LoC. Specially, it shouldn't need specialized 
> Formatter and Writer.
> 
> Plus, it should be fast.
> 
>  From the quick research I made (yep, too many lists):
> 
> - SLF4J already fails on point one: it is simply a wrapper;
> - The Java logging API fails on point two: specialized classes would 
> have to be written to deal with log rotation, per-class filtering and 
> formatting, plus a wrapper for Logger.{info,warning,...}() methods. 
> Exactly the same as a custom logger, with one more dependency and using 
> more LoC;

No dependancies, it's part of the JDK, isn't it?

However, if it's not a clearer/simpler API, it probably doesn't make much sense.

> - Log4J seems to fail on point one - it only lacks a button that brings 
> back the dead. It seems interesting, and I haven't dropped this yet.
> 
> In either case (custom or external), log* would be banished. Forever.

I don't follow. You object to using a separate logs folder?
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