On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Jonathan Solichin <[email protected]>wrote:

> Hello friends,
>
> Thank you, glad to hear that I am getting somewhere
>
> Here is a better version of the sidebar:
> http://jssolichin.com/public/4/4.%20Home-alt.png
>
> The boxes with the x will be icons. having those I think will help inform
> the reader what is available, instead of the previous metro like overflow.
> It will also allow a space for numbers showing how much content is
> available in that section. When you hover over that section, it will still
> reveal the hover nav in the last mock up to allow for easier clicking and
> clarity (as to what the icons are):
>
> http://jssolichin.com/public/4/3.%20Home-navhover.png
>
> I know that the icons will not fit with longer section names like comments,
> so the icon might be placed above the section name, or be smaller. On that
> point, I would just like to mention that i'm hoping to also allow the
> reader to resize the sidebar size fluidly. So if they are reading the
> comments section, they can devote more space to it. This will, however, be
> disabled in the mobile version.
>
> * The way the navigation links are organized/grouped together is a bit
> > weird (the upper part with wiki/space/page links)
> >
> Visually, I'm not sure if it came through in the wireframe, but i'm
> imagining it like the iphone folder [1], where we have the breadcrumb/nav
> (wiki/space/pages) always visible, then when the user clicks it, it reveals
> the "watch page, access rights, etc." By iphone folder like i mean, it
> pushes everything down and visually seems to reveal something underneath.
> But that last point is trivial.
>
> More technically, since the navigation is vertical, the breadcrumb style is
> a bit unclear, and do need to be more refined. Right now  i'm thinking
> maybe a folder esque structure:
> x wiki
> \_ x space
>   \_x pages
>
> but I feel like that might get to cluttered. Maybe we should just remove
> the breadcrumb navigation and just have it like in the lyrebird where it
> appears as part of the content and not as a "global nav?" What does the
> community think?
>
>  * On the desktop you probably don't want that inner scroller, but
> > rather have the right panel fixed and keep the page's natural scroll.
>
> You're right, that would make sense. I think the right solution would be to
> make the right sidebar scroll like the chatlist window on facebook where if
> you hover over the area, it will reveal a scroll bar indicator to show your
> vertical location and allow you to scroll that section using the mouse
> wheel.
>
> Do you guys think it will be ok that we do not have the up and down arrow?
> or would that be bad usability. I personally think it will be fine since
> even sites like gmail uses a non native scroll indicator without the up and
> down arrow--it's just prettier.
>


I don't have any issue with a JS scroller to make it beautiful, as long as
it preserve native behavior (keyboard, etc.) and that it degrades nicely
when JS is not present.

Jerome



>
>  The menu part still needs to be refined
>
>  Did I address it earlier in this email, or am I still missing something?
> Can you clarify specifically which point for me to work at?
>
> > Putting the menu on the left would be more familiar to mobile users (the
> > > nav menu is usually on the right in all the mobile apps I regularly
> > use).
> > Maybe we don't want to be like every other app ;p
> > I don't know, I think we can try it out on the right and see how it
> > feels. Same for the desktop in fact ; though I think it's going to
> > feel more natural on the right in that case.
>
>  I think both points are valid. I personally chose the right side because I
> feel like when you land on a page, you want to read content first. But I do
> know what you mean, left is the traditional side and is used in giant sites
> like gmail, facebook, hotmail and so forth. I think we should get more
> input on this.
>
> > Jonathan: I don't remember whether Jérôme pointed you to his lyrebird
> > work:
> > >
> >
> http://www.velociter.fr/journal/lyrebird-a-xwiki-skin-based-on-bootstrap-cssbut
> > > it could be an additional source of inspiration for you.
> > I don't remember I did.
> > Let me fix the link :
> >
> >
> http://www.velociter.fr/journal/lyrebird-a-xwiki-skin-based-on-bootstrap-css
> > Also, sources are on github : https://github.com/jvelo/Lyrebird<
> https://github.com/jvelo/Lyrebird;cid=1338111304826-974>
>
> Thank you, this will be a wonderful resource!
>
> Let me know what you guys think.
>
> Best,
> Jonathan Solichin
>
> [1] http://media.tecca.com/2011/02/17/mh-630-iphone-folder-header-630w.jpg
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