On Feb 7, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET <jeremie.bousq...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi devs, > > I wonder how the "flavor" and "workspace template" concepts would work > together ? > For example, if I would like to create "community" workspaces would I: > A - use a standard XE workspace template, then upgrade it with a > "community" flavor extensions ? > B - upgrade a standard XE to a "community" flavor, export it as a workspace > template and use that In the future when you create a wiki through the Wiki Manager UI you will have the ability to choose a flavor. The same could be done for the Workspace UI. > I think B is better, because it allows to add some UI to "glue" flavor > extensions together the way you like. > For example, if I have a MailArchive and a NewsLetter extensions, maybe I > would like to add some scripts to generate newsletters for the community, > using mailing-lists defined in MailArchive, even if both extensions have no > dependencies together. IMO this just means creating a community extension and have the community flavor depends on that extension in addition to all the other extensions making the community flavor. Thanks -Vincent > But then, maybe I would just like to add those UI pages directly in my > flavor extension, and so make it merely a xar extension with many > dependencies... > In that case, I would'nt even need a workspace template - only C - choose a > flavor when creating my workspace. > In that case also, a"flavor" would really be a logical type of extension, > and not just a type of packaging of extension. > > Of course, I could also decide to create UI extensions out of these "glue" > pages, with the risk of increasing number of "small & dumb" extensions, and > of having to solve potentially complex compatibility issues through long > dependency graphs... > > Only throwing some ideas, but maybe I'm off topic... > > Br, > Jeremie > Le 7 févr. 2013 17:39, "Eduard Moraru" <enygma2...@gmail.com> a écrit : > >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Caty, >>> >>> On Feb 7, 2013, at 5:08 PM, "Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)" < >> vali...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> XWiki Flavors are a set of predefined extensions having a specific use >>>> case in mind. XWiki Flavors can be considered specializations of XWiki >>>> instances suited for different purposes like public websites, >>>> intranets, content sharing, project management, community status, >>>> business intelligence, etc. >>>> >>>> Scenario: You want to install XWiki. The installer will propose >>>> different 'flavors' and will install automatically all required >>>> extensions. This way you will have a product close to your initial >>>> needs. You can later refine it by installing / uninstalling other >>>> extensions. >>>> >>>> So when I first thought about the process of installing a Flavor I >>>> imagined that I could customize what I wanted from the Flavor and >>>> select just the things I need. Actually for me Flavors were like >>>> categories with subcategories, and more of a classification system, >>>> than a packaging one. >>>> >>>> >>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Flavours/customizedInstall.png >>>> >>>> Also another difference in my vision is that I had a Base Package that >>>> contains the common denominator for all Flavors. The Base Package >>>> should contain basic mechanics for managing content and users. >>>> Selecting no flavor will still result in having basic wiki features >>>> (page creation, attachments, history, users, etc.). >>>> >>>> After some discussions with Eduard I understood that Flavors could be >>>> defined as extensions and they could contain just a list of >>>> dependencies on other extensions. The Extension Manager will install >>>> the 'exact' list it gets from the definition without the ability to >>>> exclude some dependencies. >>> >>> Indeed. >>> >>>> I've watched the 'recent' mails about XWiki Flavors [1] [2] [3] [4] >>>> and for me the conclusion is clear: we will never agree on what >>>> starting features are the best and that will solve everybody's >>>> problems. But that is ok and normal and the strength of XWiki is it's >>>> extensibility. >>>> >>>> So the next idea was to have a Flavor Creator that will allow users to >>>> create their own collections of extensions. This collection should be >>>> then published to extensions.xwiki.org and could appear in the >>>> installer list as suggestions. >>> >>> Some thoughts: >>> >>> * Yes, the idea is that anyone can contribute a flavor on xwiki.org, >>> since it's an extension like any other (it would just have a new type, >>> called "flavor" since we don't have this ATM). The DW will list all >> flavors >>> it can find from e.x.o. This is where we need some ways to bring the best >>> flavors to the top. My idea was to add ratings to the Repository app for >>> that >>> >> >> I agree with this. IMO, we should bring back the idea of extension types >> (including this new "flavour" type) and, as you`ve mentioned, add things >> like ratings. >> >> Also, this should be reflected in the EM UI to allow a user to do browsing >> (by extension types) and not only searching (which is a bit intimidating to >> new users). >> >> Thanks, >> Eduard >> >> >>> * Also, in the DW the user should be allowed to not install any flavor so >>> that he can then install extensions one by one if he so wishes >>> >>> * Re the base package there's no need to have one since extensions >> declare >>> their require dependencies >>> >>>> >>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Flavours/flavorCreator.png >>>> >>>> If Application Within Minutes let's you create your own applications, >>>> the Flavor Creator would let you make packages of extensions for a >>>> specific purpose. This way we strengthen XWiki's extensibility and we >>>> let the users take the power and customize the solutions that are >>>> perfect for them. >>> >>> Sounds good. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>>> Just some ideas. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Caty >>>> >>>> [1] [Idea]"Community" flavor >>> http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/2e3fdm3hfuh54vpr >>>> [2] [Idea] XWiki Project Development Flavor >>>> http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/334vzyytfvlppmri >>>> [3] Idea collection minimal xwiki configuration >>>> http://markmail.org/thread/abma4pzuq2ooy6as >>>> [4] [UserStory] Wiki Archetypes >>>> http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/jp35ackl2puuscjv _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
