> On 15 Apr 2017, at 14:22, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 04/15/2017 08:17 AM, Vincent Massol wrote: >> Hi Sergiu, >> >>> On 15 Apr 2017, at 13:44, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On 04/14/2017 06:08 PM, Vincent Massol wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 14 Apr 2017, at 22:34, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 04/14/2017 09:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: >>>>>> Here is a new proposal on this subject. >>>>>> >>>>>> This supersets the following threads: >>>>>> * http://markmail.org/message/mhhurc7lbyfanph7 >>>>>> * http://markmail.org/message/nav5a77hzmhq4gq6 >>>>>> * http://markmail.org/message/fd5ijxdquzdhtykw >>>>>> >>>>>> We discussed with other committers (Vincent and Ludovic) and came to >>>>>> the conclusion that it was not core dev team job to provide a specific >>>>>> flavor like Knowledge Base and that we should focus only on a very >>>>>> generic one (pretty much XE without the Blog). >>>>>> >>>>>> Here are the details: >>>>>> >>>>>> = One flavor >>>>>> >>>>>> We develop only 1 flavor located in xwiki-platform repository. It's a >>>>>> generic flavor not targeting any specific use case (the first version >>>>>> with be XE without the Blog). We will discuss the name in another >>>>>> thread later, let's call it "Wiki Flavor" for now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course everyone is free and welcomed to build lots of contrib >>>>>> flavors which will be proposed when you install XWiki ("Development >>>>>> Flavor", "Demo Flavor", "Blog Flavor", etc.). >>>>>> >>>>>> = No "Base flavor" >>>>>> >>>>>> But platform will provide an extension that can be used as dependency >>>>>> by various flavors to get "core" UI extensions that we think make >>>>>> sense in any kind of flavor. >>>>>> >>>>>> = Demo package >>>>>> >>>>>> We currently have a jetty/hsqldb based package in platform which let >>>>>> you choose which flavor you want. We will show it in the download >>>>>> page. >>>>>> >>>>>> We will add another one with the Wiki Flavor already installed in it >>>>>> (pretty much like the XE jetty/hsqldb package). Listed on the download >>>>>> page too. >>>>> >>>>> Why? Is it that bad to always let the user choose the flavor? We can >>>>> split flavors into three levels: >>>>> >>>>> - The "Raw XWiki" flavor is on top, pre-selected >>>>> - Recommended flavors are next, in a list >>>>> - All flavors behind a "browse more" button >>>>> >>>>> The only case when leaving the standalone package empty might fail is in >>>>> a no-internet environment, but for this we can have a workaround: make >>>>> the jars, xars and poms needed for installing the base flavor available >>>>> in the package. >>>> >>>> Yes the reason is for the offline test use case. >>>> >>>> Bundling all flavors could be a solution indeed but it seems a bit >>>> overkill to me, especially if the user only wants a single one, don’t you >>>> think? >>> >>> Indeed, that's why I said "needed for installing the _base_ flavor". If >>> XWiki detects that it can't fetch the list of flavors from the internet, >>> instead of displaying the "select flavor to install" screen, it will >>> display an alternative "no internet connection detected, install a base >>> wiki or leave the wiki completely empty" screen. >> >> Ok I get it. That could work but we would need to implement it and always >> use the locally available flavor extensions even if there’s an internet >> connection since installing from internet is much longer (several additional >> minutes) and we need to offer the best possible testing/first-time >> experience. > > Depending on how this is implemented, this can also solve another issue: > installing war snapshots. This is something that some of the PhenoTips > users have been asking about, and while possible, it's not as easy as > just putting the war in Tomcat and running the distribution wizard.
I don’t understand what this means. What are the issues? What would your users need/want? Thanks -Vincent > >> And sponsoring companies must be also be able to provide a ZIP with their >> flavor pre-installed or locally available. We would provide a link to their >> page providing the download. >> >> It could indeed save us one packaging. >> >> @Thomas: WDYT? >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent >>>> >>>>> Everything else sounds good, +1. >>>>> >>>>>> We don't maintain exe/jar installers anymore in platform, they die >>>>>> with XWiki Enterprise. They are a real pain to maintain and we are >>>>>> actually failing since they don't really work properly everywhere they >>>>>> are supposed to work. It does not worth the trouble for what is not a >>>>>> production ready package and it's better anyway to make more clear >>>>>> XWiki is a server thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> WDYT ?
