Hi Vincent,
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 21:07, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Denis/All,

> On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:25, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Caty,
> Very happy to see progress in this area, this is a real pain to scroll to the 
> bottom of the document to save it, and there is a long time it is affecting 
> us.

Note that shouldn’t be a problem in most cases and you shouldn’t have to scroll 
anywhere since the content is inside a textarea with scrollbars and the 
preview/save/cancel buttons are outside of it and only reasonable resolution 
they are always visible.

Just tested on a small 1024x76 resolution and they’re very visible and there’s 
still vertical room:
https://www.evernote.com/l/AHfKSY4sB3lO_6TarSsjkw889qlffOGX4P8

And in full screen it’s the same.

So I’m curious to understand when it’s a problem for you. There’s probably 
something I’m missing.
Well, I don’t really know how you made your screenshot and how you measured 
your resolution. Your evernote picture looks scrambled and large. In the most 
popular landscape desktop resolution ( 1366x768, see 
http://gs.statcounter.com/screen-resolution-stats/desktop/worldwide), with a 
menu, here is what I got: http://d.pr/i/R1i3 And, this is even worse than that, 
since we should consider that the viewport is much lower than the screen size, 
in particular the height of it.
Any resolution with a viewport less than 1080px in height doesn’t really make 
it for me. Which means that unless you are on something retina or at least 15”, 
you had to scroll. According to the above charts, we get covered for less than 
1 internet users over 4 on desktop.
Does my mileage vary that much compared to others ? I should admit that I am 
really puzzled by your remarks, since this has always been a source of pain for 
me. While I have a large screen, I am often using the debugger in my browser 
stuck to the bottom, and this put me back in the common use case above (and 
like this idea of being close to it when testing my work).
Maybe others can shed some lights on this ?
--
Denis Gervalle
SOFTEC sa - CEO


Thanks
-Vincent

> However, I am not really happy with your current proposal. I found the text 
> area for the version summary way too small for the purpose. It should IMO 
> stay on a separate line in order to be large enough. Since this not always 
> useful, it might, however, be collapsed somehow in certain circumstances.
> I also wonder if just having some buttons on the top in addition to the 
> bottom, wouldn’t be simpler and as efficient, even if the top feature is 
> limited (just save / save&view). It might also work with your fixed bottom 
> UI, that might also be more limited than what you can do by scrolling.
> I hope these are useful comments. I am also curious to see other opinions on 
> this important feature.
> --
> Denis Gervalle
> SOFTEC sa - CEO
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 17:59, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> Some users have complained that when editing they don't know that they need
> to scroll in order to see the Save buttons.
>
> This is a proposal that tackles:
> - Displaying the save buttons in a bottom area, when they are out of the
> viewport, see
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaVisibleSave/bottomBar.png
> - Reorganizing the bottom zone in order to compact all the save functions
> into a single bar
> - When the user scrolls, the buttons go into their position, see
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaVisibleSave/after.png
>
> For the whole proposal and more screenshots, see
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/IdeaVisibleSave
>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks,
> Caty

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