Tweet from Bootstrap on 3 Jan: "As we start thinking about v5, what should we remove from Bootstrap? Already dropping jQuery and very likely IE10/11 in our next major version."
and "Need IE8/9? Use v3. Need IE10/11? Keep using v4. Don’t need IE10/11? Consider v5 whenever it comes :)" see https://twitter.com/getbootstrap/status/1080602583704625153 Thanks, Caty On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 8:06 PM Adel Atallah <[email protected]> wrote: > Another solution would be to use non-IE11 features like CSS Flex or > grids and replace (in some way) css rules for IE11 browsers. > That way, we could have new features for newer browsers and a fallback > for IE11 browsers. > The main problem is that we would have more complexity, there would be > more code to write and also some cases might be difficult to handle. > So I wouldn't particularly go for this solution but I think it's worth > mentioning. > > Thanks, > Adel > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > wrote: > > My POV: > > > > * We need feedback from users, so I’d have asked on the forum first, > asking users. > > * I’d not drop support for IE11 right now in 10.x but in 11.0 at best > (and it’ll depend on the answer on the first point) > > * What is keeping support for IE11 costing us ATM, apart from the QA we > do for it? Are there things we’re preventing from doing that we could do if > we didn’t have IE11 to support? (sorry if it was in the older thread, > didn’t read it yet) > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > >> On 12 Jun 2018, at 18:41, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> So, this dropping of IE11 needs to be discussed, so please disregard the > >> [VOTE] part of the mail subject and provide feedback about this idea and > >> the needs you have technically. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Caty > >> > >> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> IE is the last browser we are supporting at a particular version, see > >>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy . > >>> For all the other browsers, we are supporting just the latest release. > >>> > >>> We are supporting the latest version of Microsoft Edge since XWiki 9.9, > >>> starting from 24/Oct/17. Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as > the > >>> default web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul > 2015). > >>> Internet Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility > >>> purposes, but is deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively > >>> developed. > >>> > >>> We discussed dropping IE11 in the past Oct 6, 2017 (see > >>> https://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/qsrkka6zfrmyxv3d), but the vote > failed. > >>> > >>> Some updated statistics: > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> XWiki.org's 1 year traffic (between Sep 30, 2016 - Sep 30, 2017) > compared > >>> to Oct 1, 2017 - May 31, 2018: > >>> - Internet Explorer dropped from (5.84%) to (4.65%) > >>> -- from this percentage, IE 11 usage has increased from (88.43%) to > >>> (88.76%) > >>> - Edge increased from (1.56%) to (1.84%). > >>> > >>> In terms of Worldwide market share for Desktops, for the past 12 months > >>> (according to > >>> http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), we have > Sep, > >>> 2016 - Sep, 2017 compared to May 2017 - May 2018: > >>> - Internet Explorer dropped from 8.21% to 6.97% > >>> - Edge dropped from 4.3% to 4.15% > >>> > >>> In May 2018, Global Market Share Worldwide for All Platforms contains: > >>> - Chrome 58.09% > >>> - Safari 13.78% > >>> - UC Browser 8.16% > >>> - Firefox 5.27% > >>> - Opera 3.68% > >>> - Internet Explorer combined is at 3.08% (with IE 11 having 2.65%. > IE11 in > >>> August 2017 had 3.04%) > >>> - Edge combined having 1.91% (Edge combined in August 2017 had 1.8%) > >>> - etc. > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> In terms of statistics, IE11 is more used than Microsoft Edge. The only > >>> argument of dropping IE11 is that it's a browser that is deprecated for > >>> about 3 years, and it's limiting the usage of newer specifications > (like > >>> CSS Flex, Grid, etc.) > >>> > >>> I'm curios about how this period of supporting both IE11 and Edge went, > >>> and if you have other examples of things you wanted to use and are not > >>> supported by IE11. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Caty > >>> > > >
