hi all first of all a happy new year to everyone
hope 2009 gives us a good ddn why not just unmoderate the group and let members just delete what they don't want and let google do the backend job for us regards to everyone rene y3k foundation ---------- Original Message ---------- To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group (digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net) From: Dave Chakrabarti (d...@digitalraindrop.com) Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN Date: 12/31/2008 1:43:55a Hi Tom, Andy, others, I agree with Tom; I suspect there are cost-effective alternatives here, which it would be well worth exploring. On the other hand, I disagree with Tom on the concerns over approving postings...it completely stifles discussion when it takes a month for emails to trickle through. We've gone through a couple of cycles of this with the "future of DDN" conversation, and I barely remember what was on the original wiki, or what was said in email followups; this conversation could have happened in days, instead of months. It also poses a significant disincentive to posting at all. If we can't identify or create a working medium for the conversation, then the information you're asking for can't really be used effectively. As I've mentioned before, I'd love to volunteer to help manage the mailing list! Let me know what our possible next steps are. Dave. -- Dave Chakrabarti Project Manager Chicago Technology Cooperative www.chicagotech.org On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:56 AM, tom abeles wrote: > > What I have not seen in this exchange is the cost for the system > including: > a) the number of "staff", their positions, full or part time and the > over all costs for each area (not individuals), mgmt, tech support, > etc > b) the overhead costs for hardware, software and other maint. issues > c) other costs. In other words, what does the quick books version of > this operation look like > d) what is the proposed model going forward- maintain the status quo > or build a new, different and potentially lower cost operation > > My bet is that the current model which was funded by the WB and > other sources is not the lean/mean web versions that so many other > networks are using. > > If the above are not put on the table then there is no way to > understand what the next steps should be. > > Concerns over approving postings etc are mis-directions and not the > issue at hand > > dr. tom p abeles, president > sagacity, inc > 3704 11th ave south > minneapolis, mn 55407 > > tabe...@hotmail.com > >> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:38:41 -0400 >> To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net >> From: taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN >> >> /me hums Drupal's theme at Tobias as well. >> >> Tobias Eigen wrote: >>> Thanks Adam - this is all very interesting. >>> >>> I think the biggest problem I am seeing is that emails get stacked >>> up for >>> approval - this really limits any real discussion that might take >>> place here >>> on this list. I'd propose either opening it up or recruiting some >>> volunteers >>> to help manage the approval queue on a daily if not more regular >>> basis. >>> >>> The ning idea is a good one, especially since it's a free >>> (advertising >>> driven) platform. I believe educators can get advertising-free >>> spaces. >>> Another platform well suited for email-empowered online >>> communities is >>> golightly, used at http://groups.nten.org >>> >>> If you are really concerned about costs for DDN into the future, >>> then >>> rolling your own site might not be a great idea. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tobias >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, <adamcl...@takingitglobal.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for the responses to our idea of what to do with DDN :) >>>> >>>> To clear somethings up: >>>> >>>> -Tobias asked if the donation for membership is voluntary or not. >>>> We have >>>> no intention of charging people to access DDN. What we do want to >>>> do is >>>> identify people who are financial supporters of DDN. We don't >>>> have a >>>> donation system set up yet because we wanted to make sure that it >>>> was a >>>> good idea first. >>>> >>>> -The wiki issue is being looked into. The system should be able >>>> to handle >>>> your existing DDN login information so you don't have to create two >>>> accounts and login to both all the time. >>>> >>>> -Taran's idea of GoogleAds is interesting and we'll have our tech >>>> team see >>>> how easy it is to implement. Which should be very easy. The hard >>>> part will >>>> be finding a space for them as we don't want GoogleAds on the >>>> front page >>>> of DDN has it may make the site look less credible. Any thoughts >>>> on that >>>> note? >>>> >>>> -Many people have suggested moving DDN to a new system. This is >>>> just as >>>> hard (or even harder) than keeping our current system running. >>>> We've >>>> though about this at TIG and were moving ahead with our system >>>> because it >>>> is the easiest for our developers to work on. >>>> >>>> Adam Clare >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list >>>> DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net >>>> http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide >>>> To unsubscribe, send a message to >>>> digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.netwith >>>> the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Taran Rampersad >> c...@knowprose.com >> >> http://www.knowprose.com >> http://www.your2ndplace.com >> http://www.opendepth.com >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/ >> >> "Criticize by Creating" - Michelangelo >> "The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is >> mine." - Nikola Tesla >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list >> DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net >> http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide >> To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net >> with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Suspicious message? 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