"Bill Baxter" wrote > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Yigal Chripun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Steven Schveighoffer wrote: >>> "Bill Baxter" wrote >>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 6:37 AM, ore-sama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> Bill Baxter Wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> (like I haven't been able to figure out how to get the >>>>>> DOS console in Windows to display UTF-8) >>>>> Console is a legacy technology (you even still call it "DOS"), why >>>>> expect >>>>> features from it? >>>> So tell me what the alternative is? I had trouble with running D >>>> tools from a Cygwin shell. Can't remember if I tried MSYS or not. >>> >>> Any text-based program uses the same Windows console (unless it's a GUI >>> application, and it uses controls to create a text box, etc). Including >>> cygwin shell. >>> >>> To say it's a legacy technology is like saying Linux is a legacy >>> technology >>> because it's command line based. It's a false experience promoted by >>> Microsoft to try and spread FUD about OSes that mainly support command >>> line >>> tools, like Linux. But command line tools are extremely useful and >>> powerful, much easier to develop, and IMO easier to use. For instance, >>> if >>> you want to find all files that contain a certain text, grep -R text / >>> and >>> you're done. On windows it's 'click the start menu, select search, wait >>> for >>> the search window to pop up, click on the dog, etc'. Freaking annoying >>> if >>> you ask me ;) >>> >>> >>>> Anyone using a shell for Windows that works and supports UTF-8 >>>> properly? >>> >>> I would guess it should work properly, most everything in windows >>> supports >>> unicode. Perhaps you have some configuration setting not set properly? >>> I'd >>> suggest searching msdn. >>> >>> -Steve >>> >>> > >> PowerShell is GUI based as well. > > After downloading it and giving it a try, I find this claim somewhat > suspect. What makes you say it's GUI based? It has the exact same > decorations and goofy menu options as a regular non-GUI Windows > console. If it were really a GUI, I doubt they would go through the > extra programming effort required to make it look *exactly* like a > console app.
I've never used powershell, but most likely you are correct. I think there is a confusion of terms here. Windows Console is the GUI that comes up with the black window, and displays text. It serves as a terminal, not a shell. This is not 'old' technology, it's just an integral piece of the OS. cmd.exe is the command interpreter, which is definitely crappy technology (and somewhat old). The responsible party for displaying UTF properly is the console, not the shell. -Steve
