On Monday, 24 December 2012 at 02:17:51 UTC, evilrat wrote:
On Sunday, 23 December 2012 at 21:03:40 UTC, Chris wrote:
There exist some GUI Toolkits for D, however, they are more or
less all based on bindings to native toolkits.
Is anyone working on or are there plans to develop a pure
Swing-like GUI Framework for D? While bindings have the
advantage of using native widgets, they tend to lack behind as
native widgets toolkits evolve and improve from version to
version. Also, the full use of native features is not always
easily accomplished (cf. SWT/JFace). A self-contained
framework (like Swing) that could be extended as needed by a
small set of native bindings - to implement os specific tasks
- might be worth looking into.
D would have the benefit of hindsight in avoiding mistakes
made in other GUI toolkits (such as Swing and SWT/JFace), and
while this may sound like reinventing the wheel, catering for
cross-platform bindings (Windows, Linux and OS X) is an
endless race, and might not be real cross-platform after all,
because either a whole platform is not (yet) catered for (cf.
DWT), or some features are not yet implemented for one
platform or another.
Programmers have to make practical decisions and from my own
experience I know that nothing is worse than betting on the
wrong horse, and at present I could not decide on a GUI
toolkit for D.
Your comments and advice are more than welcome.
did you remember c++ lesson with qt? no, qt is good framework
but in fact its better when used your custom styles(imho),
native look and feel sometimes is just crappy, and custom cross
platform look'n'feel for your professional oriented stuff is
another plus, it instantly becomes recognizable and users don't
need to adapt to version on another system.
sorry if it still unclear, i'm not against bindings to native
ui i'm just trying to say it is good for simple stuff only and
only when ur program targeting one system(again, imho).
I agree. If it gets a bit more sophisticated, it can be quite
annoying when using bindings.
so i think HTML/JS is the really(but not only, yes)
crossplatform(phones, set top boxes, pc's, just about
everywhere...), fast, cost effecient(the only tool you need to
start develop is text editor and browser with developer tools,
almost all if not any has such tools, there is lot of designers
and JS programmers, and so on) and modern UI, so you can take a
look at my recent project -
http://forum.dlang.org/thread/azrwqdorulvwhjcmm...@forum.dlang.org
though it still in alpha
sorry if that's not what you expect for gui framework stuff
such as gtk or qt.
I'd prefer a fully-fledged pure D solution for desktop apps. With
D's ability to integrate C code native extensions should be
manageable. But the framework should be self-contained like
Swing. With extensions I mean things like using a Mac menu bar,
use system services etc but the widgets should be D's own.
However, I also like HTML/JS solutions but am not sure whether
they can replace a real GUI framework like Cocoa or Swing. JS is
at times cumbersome to use for user interfaces.
