On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 02:01:02PM +0200, Dicebot wrote: > On Monday, 23 September 2013 at 11:52:28 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: > >On 21/09/2013 16:07, Manu wrote: > >>... > > > >My feelings exactly. I learned about Linux and studied it when I > >was in high-school (Windows 98/Me era), and I was quite excited > >about it. Windows was more shite those days, and I knew Linux was > >not for the average user, but I thought that once I learned it > >well enough (shell, network, configuring partitions, automounting, > >the X server, etc.), it would be worthwhile to use. > >That wasn't the case unfortunately. There was always new stuff > >that would come up that you would need to learn how to configure, > >or need to thinker, or there would be shortcomings in application > >functionality. After a certain point it was just annoying. It > >might be "fun" for people who get kicks out of working the innards > >of a system and being closer to how things work, but on my > >computer I wanted to either have my leisure time, or get real work > >done. And spending time configuring stuff (that in Windows just > >worked out of the box) is not a productive use of one's time in > >any way, shape or form. > > > >True, this was like 10 years ago and Linux distros got better, but > >so has Windows, and nowdays there is little motivation now for me > >to try a different OS/desktop-environment. > > Ironically, this is exactly the reason I have never succeeded in > using the Windows for daily work. Amount of manual configuration and > subverting the defaults needed to make it actually usable for my > programming flow is outstanding. In the same time on my Linux distro > it is mostly `pacman -Sy gnome gnome-extra xorg-server nvidia dlang > vim git` and I am ready to work on a fresh install.
Ditto. I'm surprised at people talking about the amount of time spent configuring stuff on Linux, etc., because it's never happened to me! I mean, OK, in the early days you had to manually configure X11 and deal with all of the obscure problems, but that's no longer the case today. All I have to do is 'apt-get install <package>' and it Just Works(tm). I do like to tweak stuff -- and this is where Windows falls flat for me, 'cos it forces you to work a certain way, and when you go outside of that, things just stop working or it becomes an uphill battle (disclaimer: I haven't touched Windows for over a decade, so this may no longer be true today) -- but the default settings installed by apt-get *do* work. So I've no idea what people are talking about when they complain about needing to tweak this and that by hand. Linux *lets* you tweak stuff by hand, but, at least as far as Debian is concerned, the defaults pretty much Just Work. The whole bit about me recompiling the kernel and stuff -- the whole point was that I *wanted* to run a custom kernel, and Linux lets me do that. On Windows, this isn't even an option to begin with. The stock Debian kernel actually just works out of the box -- and had I wanted to, I could have just used that instead and never needed to do anything else. T -- INTEL = Only half of "intelligence".