Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

On Jun 26, 2013, at 12:10 AM, Walter Bright wrote:

>
> On 6/25/2013 8:08 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/25/2013 6:31 PM, Michel Fortin wrote:
>>>> And finally, there's nothing unsafe with autorelease pools as long as you don't keep an unretained reference to an autoreleased object when the pool drains.
>>> Well, that's exactly the issue - an escaping reference.
>>>
>> Read the next sentence after your quote though:
>>
>> "Making sure you have no unretained reference is ARC's job, so with ARC it should not be no problem."
>>
>> So with ARC, it's not unsafe.  I think that was the ultimate point.
>
> Yes, I read the next sentence. What it means to me is that autorelease pools add nothing when ARC is implemented - no optimizations, either. Either that or I don't understand how ARC figures out that there are no escaping references without doing things like runtime checks.

OK, it sounded like you were saying still that Objective C with ARC didn't have memory safety.

I'm no longer arguing about autorelease, I defer to Michel on that. I clearly didn't understand that autorelease doesn't provide any benefits for ARC, it's just there for compatibility.

-Steve

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