On Wednesday, 17 December 2014 at 15:15:41 UTC, ketmar via
Digitalmars-d wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:01:30 +0000
Wyatt via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
> besides, msdn references are exactly what phobos
> documentation
> is: description of functions. will msdn reference dox help
> you
> to learn msvc? yet you citing it as "high-quality" and
> blaming
> phobos dox for doing (or, rather, not doing) the same.
>
And yet they have much better organisation and they're much
_less noisy_.
did you seen at least one template in winapi? and at least one
constrained template? it's easy to remove constraints from
phobos dox.
guess what people will say then? "dox is awful, there are no
clearly
seend constraints there!"
This is what we mean when we talk about "quality" in
documentation. Hell, a lot of CPAN docs are easier to follow
than the Phobos stuff, and that's _Perl_ for crissakes!
either i forgot something, or perl doesn't have templates too.
Bull. D isn't magic and expecting that people need to set
aside a chunk of time to "learn" it is really silly.
i hope such people will never adopt D.
But it's not as silly as the idea that you don't learn the
language by diving in.
using the tools you never used before, without training, to
solve
production tasks. this is what seems to be silly for me.
You know, by using it (and the standard library) to solve a
problem? This is simply how people pick up new programming
languages.
so i'm not a human then.
It's more akin to the Haskell reaction: "This seems neat, but
it's asking way too much of me and I don't have time for it."
We know this isn't how the language _actually_ is; that it's
really quite forgiving and friendly if you know any other
curly-braces language, but you'd never know by looking at the
docs.
if people want to use reference documentation to learn the
language, i
myself prefer this people to use anything except D. and i bet
that php
is what they want.
Btw, a guy I know could go into a D program I had written and
change things as needed by simply looking at the code and the
library reference. He had no previous knowledge of D. It is
possible to do that in D as well. In order to use the full power
of the language, you have to invest time, however. Same goes for
any of the more complex languages.
