On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 17:28:39 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 14:51:05 UTC, Chris wrote:
I agree, but I dare doubt that a slight performance edge will
make the difference. There are load of factors (knowledge
base, infrastructure, complacency, C++-Guruism, marketing
etc.) why D is an underdog.
But everybody loves the underdog when it catches up to the pack
and beats the pack on the finish line. ;^)
I now follow Pony because of this self-provided benchmark:
http://ponylang.org/benchmarks_all.pdf
They are communicating a focus for a domain, a good
understanding of their area, and it makes me want to give it a
spin even at this early stage where I obviously can't actually
use it.
I am not saying Pony is good, but it makes a good case for
itself IMO.
no sugar, thanks." I know, as usual I simplify things and
exaggerate! He he he. But programming languages are like
everything else, only because something is good doesn't mean
that people will buy it.
Sure, but it is also important to make people take notice.
People take notice of benchmark leaders. And too often
benchmarks measure throughput while latency is just as
important.
End user don't notice peak throughput (which is measurable as a
bleep on the cloud server instance-count logs), they notice
reduced latency. So to me latency is the most important aspect
of a web-service (+ programmer productivity).
I don't find Go exciting, but they show concern for latency
(concurrent GC etc). Communicating that concern is good, even
before they reach whatever goals they have.
As regard compiler-based features, as soon as features are
compiler-based people will complain "Why is it built-in? That
should be handled by a library! I want more freedom!" I know
for sure.
Heh, not if it is getting you an edge, but if it is a second
citizen addition. Yes, then I agree.
Cheers!
Thanks for showing me Pony. Languages like Nim and Pony keep
popping up which shows a) how important native compilation is and
b) that there are still loads of issues in standard languages
(C/C++/Python/Java/C#). But D is already there, it's already
usable, and new languages often re-invent D.
