On Thursday, 28 January 2016 at 02:59:38 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
On Thursday, 28 January 2016 at 00:46:00 UTC, rsw0x wrote:
Yes, how dare people see D marketed as a non-alpha language
then realize the language is actually still in an alpha-state.
It's not in an alpha state. It's a grassroots language. There's
no other way to describe it. Being community driven, it moves
in the direction and at the pace that the community drives it.
That's not actually true, Walter ultimately decides everything.
Lisp might have been grassroot, but only because it is 100%
library driven. Leading to Common Lisp, Common Music etc...
There's no large team, no governing body, no committee to drive
development. Everyone using it needs to accept that any
particular personal peeve they have with the language are only
going to get changed in one of two ways: there's enough
momentum behind it to cause it to percolate up to the top of
the priority list for the core developers, or if you do it
yourself. That's what it boils down to.
The point of this thread is that D would benefit from cutting the
scope of no-gc management to deliver on time and gain momentum
and build a larger team.
It is about strategy. Telling people "DIY" or "submit PR" is off
topic. That is not a viable strategy that can make D converge
towards completion in a timely manner.
Debate about which issues should take priority are certainly
needed, but these threads that degenerate into bashing the core
developers, or calling D a "toy" language, serve no purpose
other than to waste bandwidth and make it difficult to discuss
what really matters.
People read too much into "toy language". Many toy languages are
better and more advanced than non-toy languages. They are just
not designed and developed in a manner that lead to completion
and often lack a formal specification.
Some might argue that without a specfication you don't even have
a language, you have an experimental prototype that could lead to
a specified language. If it is impossible to implement a fully
compatible D compiler without studying DMD it basically means
that nobody knows what the D language is.
