On 24.02.2016 23:10, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
On Wednesday, 24 February 2016 at 21:56:12 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote:
The ultimate validity of the premise does not matter for what I
objected to. You were trying to paint Walter's position internally
inconsistent in a very specific way that just does not hold water.
Sigh. I am not trying to paint anything, not even a bikeshed. I am
merely observing the following:
1. I've never had any issues related to "<<" for iostream.
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Note that I am not the one complaining about overloaded tokens.
2. I am rather annoyed by the inconsistent use of symbols in D.
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It's not inconsistent. It's overloading at the lexical level that gets
resolved at the level of the grammar.
3. Objecting to "<<" for iostream while using symbols incosistently
yourself IS ironic.
What is and isn't ironic, isn't a matter of «validity of the premise».
You misunderstand what that part of the sentence refers to. (It's what I
quoted.)
It is a matter of interpretation. Not your interpretation. Mine.
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You might want to keep those aspects to yourself or express their
subjectivity more explicitly if you don't want them to be mistaken for a
point being made that resembles points being made using the same wording.
Also, the usability issues concerning symbols isn't related to
mathematical definitions, but is related to the mnemonics of the
symbols, or the interpretation of them, by a human being. Not by a machine.
As such a useful mnemonic for "<<" is that it is for moving stuff to the
left. Which could work equally well for a stream as it does for bits.
There is no apparent overlap between the mnemonics for "!" in the
context of templates or bools. Same with "~", which in the context of C
means "flip the bits",
In the context of C, "*" means either "dereference" or "multiply". "&"
means either "take address" or "bitwise and".
with the wave being a mnemonic for flipping.
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Uh...
I find it ironic that iostream is more consistent with the mnemonics of
the symbols than D is. Deal with it. Don't defend it. Fix it.
I'm afraid I personally don't care too much about any of that.
Also, I'm not defending anything. I was attacking annoying rhetoric.
Not anymore though. I'm done here.
