I don't see it the same way. Yes, I agree my opinion is not
representative. I'd also say I'm glad I can do something about
this.
Moved Andrei's post
(http://forum.dlang.org/post/nipb14$ldb$1...@digitalmars.com) to a
new thread.
[...]
Meanwhile, I go to conferences. Train and consult at large
companies.
Dozens every year, cumulatively thousands of people. I talk
about D
and ask people what it would take for them to use the
language.
Invariably I hear a surprisingly small number of reasons:
[..]
* Tooling is immature and of poorer quality compared to the
competition.
And what have we done about it? How long has it been since
dfix existed,
yet we still haven't really integrated it into the dmd
toolchain?
I've spoken to Brian about it. Dfix does not do lookup, which
makes it sadly not up for meaningful uses.
How about we start calling dfix and dscanner "official", move
them over to the Dlang github namespace and ship them with every
release?
* Hiring people who know D is a problem.
There are many willing candidates right here. :-P
Nice.
We should start to list companies that use D - that solves the
chicken vs. egg problem too:
https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/pull/1312
* Documentation and tutorials are weak.
And what have we done about this?
http://tour.dlang.org is a good start.
Yes it is good step, but we need to improve this and create more!
Having a MOOC (usually >50K viewers!) would be the best way to
move forward.
* There's no web services framework (by this time many folks
know of
D, but of those a shockingly small fraction has even heard of
vibe.d).
I have strongly argued with Sönke to bundle vibe.d with dmd
over one
year ago, and also in this forum. There wasn't enough
interest.
I heard this a lot too.
"You don't have a web server in your standard libary?? It's 2016!"
We should close the gap to NodeJS, Go (and all the other
languages) ASAP and standardize the API for the following:
1) event loop library (e.g. https://github.com/etcimon/libasync)
2) bare-metal http server with full HTTP2 support (e.g.
https://github.com/etcimon/libhttp2)
NodeJS provides such a low-level API and this has been a key part
of their success,
because so many libraries built on-top of this without breaking
each other.
https://nodejs.org/api/http.html
What about linking to it in a prominent place on dlang.org?
This isn't
a big problem, AFAICT. I don't think it takes months and
years to put
up a big prominent banner promoting vibe.d on, say, the
download page of
dlang.org.
PR please. I can't babysit everything. I'm preparing for a
conference where I'll evangelize for D next week
(http://ndcoslo.com/speaker/andrei-alexandrescu/). As I
mentioned at DConf, for better or worse this is the kind of
stuff I cannot delegate.
That could help, but it's needs more work:
https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/pull/1314
