On Monday, 19 March 2018 at 00:59:45 UTC, Manu wrote:
On 18 March 2018 at 17:28, Joakim via Digitalmars-d
<digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
Perhaps the community simply has different priorities than
you? For example, my Android port has never gotten much use
either, which is fine as I primarily did that work for myself.
Nevertheless, you have to think of D as like working in a
startup: if you see something that you think needs doing, you
have to drive it yourself or it will never get done. Pretty
much the same for most any OSS project too.
This is such an easy and readily-deploy-able response here.
What you say is true, and I totally understand this... but at
the same
time, that's not actually the relationship I want to have with
my
tool. A startup probably shouldn't still be a startup 10 years
later.
In your case, doing the android work was obviously an interest
you had
on the side, and you gain something from the work itself.
I have a small amount of that, but that's not where I'm at, and
it
never has been. I want to use D to do my job, because I'm fed
up with
C++. I want to engage in D the way I think D should **EXPECT**
it's
users to engage in D; as an end-user, who uses the tool to get
their
jobs done.
If D is a large-ish scale hobby project among a bunch of people
with
mutual interests, then that should be more clearly
communicated, but I
don't think that's the intent, and I feel perfectly fine
interacting
with D in the way D is intended to be interacted with.
Incidentally, this particular work I'm doing is on a multimedia
library intended for the community... so I really am truly
trying to contribute something of value!! But like most of my
projects, I tend to get blocked at some point, and then it goes
on hold indefinitely.
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I think D is a terrific language worthy of all the praise it gets
and it is way way more stable than it was 3yrs ago. But the
attitude of submit a PR if you want it fixed works very much
against D. Like it or not these forums are a front page on the D
marketing campaign.
My workplace has stopped using D after a 6 month trial, which
finished in Jan 2018. Several developers did post here during
that period when blocked by a bug or incomplete feature, only to
be told if they want it fixed they can always submit a PR.
Inevitably when told this they simply dropped D and went back to
C++ and Python. And they made a point to bring this experience up
at the final go/no-go meeting.
The majority of developers, including those voting for D, had
these common opinions (much to my disappointment)
a) We're not in the business of developing and maintaining D, but
it seems that is what we would need to do as a company. We are
better off with C++ and Python.
b) D feels like C++ did back in the mid 90's. A time when we
avoided templates and often the STL because compiler
implementations were too buggy. We are better off with C++ and
Python.
I keep pushing D here but now it is a bit of a joke when I bring
it up. I've become "the D guy" and it isn't discussed seriously
any more by other developers, except a select few.
Cheers,
Norm
